Graham Linehan on the chapter about him in Jon Ronson's new book

You are talking complete nonsense here.

Neither surgery or drugs alters your DNA, chromosomes or the reproductive pathway your body followed.

Transwomen are men. There is precisely zero objective, scientific, verifiable criteria that would make them women.

Scientific illiteracy is not big or clever.

The idea that there is any debate on the subject of whether humans can change sex

deary, deary me.

If surgeons could work magic...transwomen would be women? I suppose but they can only, with varying degrees of skill, cut people up and stitch them back together again.

BTW those women, the ones with fish tails, will drown. There's more to being a fish than the tail.

(Obviously Graham's recent behaviour and especially 'retard' is far from ok. Most have already argued this on this very thread so hardly a gotcha).

That's not true. These are the responses
Why is it ok to mock Ed Sheeran?
He mocked someone who mocked someone, shocker, without any details to go, so what?
It’s a horrible word. I hate it used as an insult. What relevance is that to Jon Ronson’s book?
'Miss, Miss, he used a bad word, Miss!'
And still, men cannot become women.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with him.

All of them attempting to dismiss Linehan's abuse of a disabled woman.

He cheers on the cancellation of someone for GC views

Jon Ronson invited Graham Linehan to participate in his radio show, the episode on trans issues "I think it would be a great opportunity for people to hear you tell your story with plenty of space to tell it". Linehan turned him down because there can be no debate about whether men can become women.

How exactly does JR 'see both sides of an argument' rather than fuel polarisation here.

There are different categories that people put themselves in, or put other people in. Male/female, adult/child, black/white. All of these categories were originally purely biological but now they're not.

We used to think that when a child had puberty then they became adult. People in some parts of the world still believe that. We believe that about animals.

GC people are keen on saying we don't accept a white person pretending to be black so why do we accept a man pretending to be a woman. This is widely used as a gotcha however there are millions of people who call themselves black or Black or Afro-Caribbean or African-American who don't have much connection biologically to the continent of Africa. Black people can have black, brown or pale skin.

You could say that transwomen are the odd ones out here because they are biologically male. A transwoman who has been surgically altered and is taking female hormones isn't biologically the same as a man. That would be like saying that a bullock is biologically the same as a bull. Both bulls and bullocks have XY chromosomes but they are not biologically the same.

So if people want to accept transwomen as women they should be able to do that without being accused of ignoring reality or being delusional. You of course have a right to say that a transwoman is a man, just as you have the right to insist that a 13 year old is a woman.

A 'disabled' woman who called Ed Sheeran disabled for not having a backbone?

If you can't take it she should maybe not have given it.

Could you expand on how "It’s a horrible word. I hate it used as an insult. What relevance is that to Jon Ronson’s book?" is an attempt to dismiss Linehan's abuse of a disabled woman?

(Obviously Graham's recent behaviour and especially 'retard' is far from ok. Most have already argued this on this very thread so hardly a gotcha).

That's not true. These are the responses
Why is it ok to mock Ed Sheeran?
He mocked someone who mocked someone, shocker, without any details to go, so what?
It’s a horrible word. I hate it used as an insult. What relevance is that to Jon Ronson’s book?
'Miss, Miss, he used a bad word, Miss!'
And still, men cannot become women.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with him.

All of them attempting to dismiss Linehan's abuse of a disabled woman.

He cheers on the cancellation of someone for GC views

Jon Ronson invited Graham Linehan to participate in his radio show, the episode on trans issues "I think it would be a great opportunity for people to hear you tell your story with plenty of space to tell it". Linehan turned him down because there can be no debate about whether men can become women.

How exactly does JR 'see both sides of an argument' rather than fuel polarisation here.

There are different categories that people put themselves in, or put other people in. Male/female, adult/child, black/white. All of these categories were originally purely biological but now they're not.

We used to think that when a child had puberty then they became adult. People in some parts of the world still believe that. We believe that about animals.

GC people are keen on saying we don't accept a white person pretending to be black so why do we accept a man pretending to be a woman. This is widely used as a gotcha however there are millions of people who call themselves black or Black or Afro-Caribbean or African-American who don't have much connection biologically to the continent of Africa. Black people can have black, brown or pale skin.

You could say that transwomen are the odd ones out here because they are biologically male. A transwoman who has been surgically altered and is taking female hormones isn't biologically the same as a man. That would be like saying that a bullock is biologically the same as a bull. Both bulls and bullocks have XY chromosomes but they are not biologically the same.

So if people want to accept transwomen as women they should be able to do that without being accused of ignoring reality or being delusional. You of course have a right to say that a transwoman is a man, just as you have the right to insist that a 13 year old is a woman.

If surgeons could work magic...transwomen would be women? I suppose but they can only, with varying degrees of skill, cut people up and stitch them back together again.

BTW those women, the ones with fish tails, will drown. There's more to being a fish than the tail.

(Obviously Graham's recent behaviour and especially 'retard' is far from ok. Most have already argued this on this very thread so hardly a gotcha).

That's not true. These are the responses
Why is it ok to mock Ed Sheeran?
He mocked someone who mocked someone, shocker, without any details to go, so what?
It’s a horrible word. I hate it used as an insult. What relevance is that to Jon Ronson’s book?
'Miss, Miss, he used a bad word, Miss!'
And still, men cannot become women.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with him.

All of them attempting to dismiss Linehan's abuse of a disabled woman.

He cheers on the cancellation of someone for GC views

Jon Ronson invited Graham Linehan to participate in his radio show, the episode on trans issues "I think it would be a great opportunity for people to hear you tell your story with plenty of space to tell it". Linehan turned him down because there can be no debate about whether men can become women.

How exactly does JR 'see both sides of an argument' rather than fuel polarisation here.

There are different categories that people put themselves in, or put other people in. Male/female, adult/child, black/white. All of these categories were originally purely biological but now they're not.

We used to think that when a child had puberty then they became adult. People in some parts of the world still believe that. We believe that about animals.

GC people are keen on saying we don't accept a white person pretending to be black so why do we accept a man pretending to be a woman. This is widely used as a gotcha however there are millions of people who call themselves black or Black or Afro-Caribbean or African-American who don't have much connection biologically to the continent of Africa. Black people can have black, brown or pale skin.

You could say that transwomen are the odd ones out here because they are biologically male. A transwoman who has been surgically altered and is taking female hormones isn't biologically the same as a man. That would be like saying that a bullock is biologically the same as a bull. Both bulls and bullocks have XY chromosomes but they are not biologically the same.

So if people want to accept transwomen as women they should be able to do that without being accused of ignoring reality or being delusional. You of course have a right to say that a transwoman is a man, just as you have the right to insist that a 13 year old is a woman.

(Obviously Graham's recent behaviour and especially 'retard' is far from ok. Most have already argued this on this very thread so hardly a gotcha).

That's not true. These are the responses
Why is it ok to mock Ed Sheeran?
He mocked someone who mocked someone, shocker, without any details to go, so what?
It’s a horrible word. I hate it used as an insult. What relevance is that to Jon Ronson’s book?
'Miss, Miss, he used a bad word, Miss!'
And still, men cannot become women.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with him.

All of them attempting to dismiss Linehan's abuse of a disabled woman.

He cheers on the cancellation of someone for GC views

Jon Ronson invited Graham Linehan to participate in his radio show, the episode on trans issues "I think it would be a great opportunity for people to hear you tell your story with plenty of space to tell it". Linehan turned him down because there can be no debate about whether men can become women.

How exactly does JR 'see both sides of an argument' rather than fuel polarisation here.

There are different categories that people put themselves in, or put other people in. Male/female, adult/child, black/white. All of these categories were originally purely biological but now they're not.

We used to think that when a child had puberty then they became adult. People in some parts of the world still believe that. We believe that about animals.

GC people are keen on saying we don't accept a white person pretending to be black so why do we accept a man pretending to be a woman. This is widely used as a gotcha however there are millions of people who call themselves black or Black or Afro-Caribbean or African-American who don't have much connection biologically to the continent of Africa. Black people can have black, brown or pale skin.

You could say that transwomen are the odd ones out here because they are biologically male. A transwoman who has been surgically altered and is taking female hormones isn't biologically the same as a man. That would be like saying that a bullock is biologically the same as a bull. Both bulls and bullocks have XY chromosomes but they are not biologically the same.

So if people want to accept transwomen as women they should be able to do that without being accused of ignoring reality or being delusional. You of course have a right to say that a transwoman is a man, just as you have the right to insist that a 13 year old is a woman.

How exactly does JR 'see both sides of an argument' rather than fuel polarisation here. He cheers on the cancellation of someone for GC views, and he doesn't balance that with e.g. critiquing the treatment of JKR who has behaved impeccably. Or engage with the GC arguments in any way.

A vague privileged hand wave and a 'mistakes were made on both sides' doesn't even begin to unpick the harms done by the unquestioning acceptance of gender ideology worldwide. GC feminists are the only ones who have dismantled 'no debate' and patiently got the UK, uniquely, to a situation where we can even discuss 'both sides' in a rational way. But with an ethical core which Ronson lacks.

(Obviously Graham's recent behaviour and especially 'retard' is far from ok. Most have already argued this on this very thread so hardly a gotcha).

Hate speech ain’t what it used to be, that’s for sure.

Because it's an opinion. And a pretty popular one at that.

Whereas using the R-slur, ever - let alone to describe a disabled woman - is hate speech.

Hth!

Erin Tatum's criticism of Ed Sheeran was quite clever. She “welcomed” him to the disability community for lacking a backbone over the Macklemore/Palestine tour fallout. Which is one reason why Graham Linehan calling her a 'retard' is pretty stupid.

30% to 50% of people with cerebral palsy experience some form of cognitive impairment or learning challenge. It is totally unacceptable for someone to call someone with cerebral palsy a retard. Even if her criticism of Sheeran had been less intelligent than than Linehan's criticism of her, which it wasn't.

I don't agree with Tatum's criticism of Sheeran though, even though it was quite clever. We live in an increasingly polarised world and people who can see both sides of an argument get accused of sitting on the fence.

Jon Ronson is someone who can see both sides of an argument and Graham Linehan isn't.

Erin Tatum's criticism of Ed Sheeran was quite clever. She “welcomed” him to the disability community for lacking a backbone over the Macklemore/Palestine tour fallout. Which is one reason why Graham Linehan calling her a 'retard' is pretty stupid.

30% to 50% of people with cerebral palsy experience some form of cognitive impairment or learning challenge. It is totally unacceptable for someone to call someone with cerebral palsy a retard. Even if her criticism of Sheeran had been less intelligent than than Linehan's criticism of her, which it wasn't.

I don't agree with Tatum's criticism of Sheeran though, even though it was quite clever. We live in an increasingly polarised world and people who can see both sides of an argument get accused of sitting on the fence.

Jon Ronson is someone who can see both sides of an argument and Graham Linehan isn't.

Erin Tatum's criticism of Ed Sheeran was quite clever. She “welcomed” him to the disability community for lacking a backbone over the Macklemore/Palestine tour fallout. Which is one reason why Graham Linehan calling her a 'retard' is pretty stupid.

30% to 50% of people with cerebral palsy experience some form of cognitive impairment or learning challenge. It is totally unacceptable for someone to call someone with cerebral palsy a retard. Even if her criticism of Sheeran had been less intelligent than than Linehan's criticism of her, which it wasn't.

I don't agree with Tatum's criticism of Sheeran though, even though it was quite clever. We live in an increasingly polarised world and people who can see both sides of an argument get accused of sitting on the fence.

Jon Ronson is someone who can see both sides of an argument and Graham Linehan isn't.

He mocked someone who mocked someone, shocker, without any details to go, so what?🤪