Graham Linehan on the chapter about him in Jon Ronson's new book

Yep, I was musing on this. JKR and Glinner are like catnip for trans activists. Anyone who speaks up must be silenced innit? The ‘shutup shutup shutup’ approach to advocacy, because once people start talking about the nonsense it falls apart. The only thing to be done is relentlessly smear the individuals because it’s so hard to argue against what they’re actually saying

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@PriOn1 So sorry to hear you’ve had and are having such a dreadful time 💕

It does. Presumably a cynical move that will make him more money than if he left it out too.

“who got too embroiled in the culture wars, and it completely took over his life”

@Datun I find it infuriating as well and I am trying to work out what it is about this situation that causes the reaction above, where it really does take over your life.

I’m actually reluctant to post on this thread, because the knives are out and all kinds of lies and smears are already in play. I know that in posting, I open myself to the same, but like Graham, I have lost family over this and it has blown my life apart.

I’ve never in my life been an extremist. I’ve always been middle of the road moderate and I stumbled onto Mumsnet FWR from AIBU, just to see what it was all about.

So how did I get here? Very much as Graham describes elsewhere, I assumed this was simply a situation which would get sorted out if we simply spoke up. The demands transactivism makes are so unreasonable that it seemed obvious they couldn’t withstand even a small amount of daylight.

I campaigned openly, in my own name, because I could. My job situation was safer than most. I am still employed, so I haven’t lost as much as Graham has, though he seems to be getting some of that back.

I never expected that, years later, my children would cut me out of their lives because of it.

I think the attacks on this thread and elsewhere are part of what makes it impossible to walk away. They are clear, gaslighting, narcissistic attacks, fully intended to stop us from speaking out. My conscience tells me that, if I let them stop me, I would be a coward.

So here I am, locked into this horror, where my children are now the flying monkeys for a group of narcissists, telling me that what I believe is unacceptable, but it’s not something that I can turn around.

The aims of transactivism, which are that gender identity should take the place of sex in law and that anyone claiming to be the opposite sex must be given whatever medical treatment they desire as well as being treated as if they are the sex they claim in all circumstances, are so outrageous that they cannot be allowed to stand. And I guess that’s the crux of this. If I say nothing and do nothing and the world goes along with this insanity, then I will be partly to blame.

The whole thing is mad, and yet it’s really happening. I hope some kind of sanity and peace will return, but I don’t know if my family will ever be mended. And that is the worst thing I am having to endure, yet there is no way out, other than through.

Regrettably, Ronson's book is top of the Sunday Times non-fiction bestsellers this week. On the plus side, the publicity has given everyone an opportunity to see exactly the kind of person he is.

Top 3 threads most likely to bring the TRAs:

1. JKR
2. Graham Linehan
3. KJK or some “you’re all far right by association” theme.

Top 3 threads least likely to bring the TRAs:

1. any trans identifying man convicted of paedophilia
2. any trans identifying man convicted violent behaviour
3. any detransitioner whose story makes them uncomfortable

Exactly this and I’m really sorry that it has come to this. On the face of it it does seem like an incredibly cruel move from Ronson.

Lets just hope she's told her daughter that her breast serve a function and if she has a double mastectomy and she decides to have children in the future, she won't be able to breastfeed them. Because she had her BREAST CUT OFF. Lets not have a repeat of the ignorance displayed by 'Freddy'.

Yes. I do. Along with countless Irish women. Because along with his wife Helen they were very very brave in speaking up for the right of Irish women to have the choice to have an abortion in Ireland and not have to travel to England.

This was because Helen had an abortion for a baby that had a Fatal Fetal abnormality and if they were living in Ireland Helen would have been denied one. They not only spoke up, they made a video, campaigned and joined with Amnesty. When it was something most politicians and famous people were cowards about the fact that every year over 5000 Irish women travelled to England.

There was an abortion suite in Liverpool hospital known as the Irish suite. We were considered a problem and England didn’t know what to do about us. Because so many came every year.

Women travelled late in pregnancy, in secret, with little or no money. It was horrendous.

The lies that are told about Linehan on here and elsewhere are incredible. He stands up for women, and all children in unmasking life crippling unnecessary surgeries on children and young people. In throwing a spotlight on the unsavoury and perverted nature of sections of the AGP males. And much more.

TPA does not have a "trans" child.

Also, how is blocking the process by which a child matures giving time for a child to mature?

it's just jibber jabber, isn't it.

What does come across is the uncontrollable rage with Linehan. It turns transactivists incoherent.

He's this, he's that, the other, and another thing blah blah. It's a massive laundry list of slung mud, sticking to nothing except their own hands.

Do you actually believe this or have you permitted such unspeakable harms to your own child that this is the only way to rationalise your behaviour against the wrongs that have been done?

Here you go

Ronson has argued in his book that the friendship became strained because Linehan was consumed with anger over the transgender debate, and lost all “polite, mannered civility” as he campaigned against gender ideology online.

What an indictment. Even using the concept of 'loss of manners' is so telling.

It's the bloody Bananarama argument again. It's not what he said, it's the way he said it.

From those two articles Ronson was blaming Linehan for his own reaction and allowing only that to negate his argument! Never mind the rapist attacking incarcerated women, or the psychopath killing Mitchfest lesbians. He's wringing his bloody hands over Graham's rage.

No one will fail to understand how numerous people do not want to put their head above the parapet for fear of their career, friends, status.

But this is different. This is blaming somebody else for doing exactly that. And getting all fucking prissy about it because it was messy for Linehan.

edited ad, I'm wondering why I'm finding it so infuriating.

I think because there's a massive element of Jesus wept man, you lost everything for the sake of women's rights, what the fuck is wrong with you??

it's barely concealed. In fact, I'm pretty certainly he doesn't even notice how that runs through it like a stick of rock.

Also, how is blocking the process by which a child matures giving time for a child to mature?

I have not seen those allegations “proved many times over.” I haven’t seen it proven even once. So if you are going to make such serious accusations, you should provide this alleged “proof.”

I saw a screenshot at the time so it seems to be true she said it, but it's very hard to understand how she could be so ignorant of how her own body works that she didn't realise for herself. However, her thought processes are a mystery to me given that as mentioned many times she started testosterone, got a Gender Recognition Certificate so she could have her birth certificate amended to show M instead of F and within days (as documented in the film she was making about herself) went to a fertility clinic and became pregnant. Then after giving birth to her child she started a lengthy legal battle, which I'm pleased to say she lost, to have herself registered on his birth certificate as his father. Messed up, to say the least.

GL is a good man, a champion of women and a sublimely gifted writer. None of his issues and difficulties detract from this.

Ronson is self-evidently a nitwit.

Lol- to pose a convincing causal link, the timeline really has to support it, doesn't it? I agree his behaviour in RECENT years has been antisocial and at times verbally aggressive. And he threw a phone that was in his face that time. What came first, though? Perhaps do yourself a little timeline. No need to tell us- you work away. We know it.

Also, the 'he's worryingly interested in children's bodies' trope you're using on this thread isn't a new gambit either. Gender critical people are used to being told they are obsessed with genitals and want to inspect them or whatever. It's classic 'nothing to see here' and it doesn't work anymore.

Why aren’t trans activists proud and pleased that so many thousands of kids have been put on hormone treatments and had surgeries? Isn’t that that they want? For all the kids to “get the gender affirming care they need”? Why be embarrassed, ashamed, or deny these treatments if they’re such good treatments?

I second the request, if they can't even bring themselves to call it what it is then maybe they shouldn't be advocating for such a thing to happen, and as pointed out by another poster, there seems to be a chronic need for the nutters to use the proper terms for things, that way they won't end up so ignorant.

Worth noting on this point that the activist Freddy McConnell commented after she gave birth to one of her children that nobody had explained to her that getting a double mastectomy would mean she would be unable to breastfeed her children if she went on to have any.

WTAF, how did she not know this, how ignorant can people be about the obvious things in life.

Why do I suspect that for Beach that will be handwaved away as non evidence

there have been many many cowards in this whole sorry affair but Ronson who wrote a whole book about cancel culture sooner exactly what Glinner was subjected too and was friends with Graham to boot, is one if the worst. That he had the brass neck to then ride on the destruction of glinners whole life though I note not actually disagreeing with him to sell his book - despicable doesn't even begin to describe it

How do you know if a child is in the 'minority of trans childrens' puberty blockers are suited for? And when is giving puberty blockers, that are not safe, have dangerous side effects and are given 4-6 times longer than for the max time for precocious puberty, the wrong solution, how can you ever know?

PB are nasty, they stop children learning to accept their bodies and they make gender dysphoria worse as the children are stunted in their growth whilst their peers of both sexes mature. They should be banned everywhere except when there is a physical medical reason to give them. Puberty is not an illness.

Please stop using the twee euphemism 'top surgery'. You're talking about an elective double mastectomy, removing healthy body parts for psychological reasons, in cases where it's abundantly clear that the women and girls concerned have not had adequate, or any, therapy to explore their body dysmorphia and other mental health problems first.