Graham Linehan on the chapter about him in Jon Ronson's new book

So basically, abortion laws, which pretty much was probably led by his wife. Tells me everything I need to know. Won the argument, so thanks all!

Slagging off Graham from a distance has become one of his crutches.

I liked when he went on the Fifth Column podcast where he and the hosts spent an hour and a half berating Graham and laughing at how mad and crazy and nuts he is.

Then after Trump won, the Fifth Column did a podcast where they finally confronted the trans issue and well I never, turns out they all agree with Graham's beliefs pretty much 100%. Then went back to never mentioning it again.

Pathetic cowards all of them.

Is it?

There's no documented link between Dansky's murders and camp trans, no evidence she met her victims there or that they even attended.

In the court case, the prosecutors never mentioned Michfest and said the motive was to do with gang-related issues.

That's what Jon put in the notes section for the chapter and is also the identical position Kara Dansky now takes post-trial.

Ronson wrote a piece about camp trans.

Decades later, one of the organisers of camp trans committed a heinous murder.

Graham claims that the victims were Michfest regulars. There is zero evidence they ever attended.

So basically, abortion laws, which pretty much was probably led by his wife. Tells me everything I need to know. Won the argument, so thanks all!

Never heard of him but Linehan’s article on him in the Telegraphy was riveting reading. The comments all support Linehan. They are exceedingly complementary.

So basically, abortion laws, which pretty much was probably led by his wife. Tells me everything I need to know. Won the argument, so thanks all!

i think those 2 ooooh what about the mitchfest posters are on mission derail.....

So basically, abortion laws, which pretty much was probably led by his wife. Tells me everything I need to know. Won the argument, so thanks all!

How do you know if a child is in the 'minority of trans childrens' puberty blockers are suited for? And when is giving puberty blockers, that are not safe, have dangerous side effects and are given 4-6 times longer than for the max time for precocious puberty, the wrong solution, how can you ever know?

PB are nasty, they stop children learning to accept their bodies and they make gender dysphoria worse as the children are stunted in their growth whilst their peers of both sexes mature. They should be banned everywhere except when there is a physical medical reason to give them. Puberty is not an illness.

So to be clear, you're saying that the piece that Glinner is referring to was written by Ronson years before the founder of camp trans committed the sicken slaughter of a family of 3.
So Glinner criticising Ronson for not mentioning it is unfair because at the time Ronson wrote the piece the psychotic man hadn't slaughtered anyone yet.

Is it?

There's no documented link between Dansky's murders and camp trans, no evidence she met her victims there or that they even attended.

In the court case, the prosecutors never mentioned Michfest and said the motive was to do with gang-related issues.

That's what Jon put in the notes section for the chapter and is also the identical position Kara Dansky now takes post-trial.

Ronson wrote a piece about camp trans.

Decades later, one of the organisers of camp trans committed a heinous murder.

Graham claims that the victims were Michfest regulars. There is zero evidence they ever attended.

I'm really sorry to hear that PriOn1. You've always been a very effective poster on here.

And you're right, it is absolutely insane.

Caring about the loss of women's rights is (sometimes) seen as okay, as long as you don't care that much. Not enough to get gobby, loud, rude, intransigent, furious. And of course, unless you are all those things, the needle doesn't move, in fact it goes backwards.

As the tide is so very definitely turning, I sincerely hope your children allow some scales to fall and that the clarity provides a measure of reconciliation.

💐

Thanks for the link, Ronson comes across as a smug, irritating git.
As a PP mentioned he failed to mention

"But that’s not all he left out. In November 2016, one of the Camp Trans organisers, a man named Dana Rivers, murdered two Michfest regulars and their adopted 19-year-old son, then set the house on fire."

That's an appalling dereliction of duty for someone who 'identify's' as a journalist.

GL is better off not having this man as a friend anymore.

There is no evidence that the two murdered women had been to Michfest, let alone were regulars there. Jon Ronson may not have known about these murders, or he may have looked into them and realised that it had very little if anything to do with Michfest.

People are trying to create a story that a transwoman murdered two attendees of Michfest, because they were attendees of Michfest. A transwoman angry with biological/cis women because he/she had been denied entry to a women's only space. The reality is that the murderer knew the murdered women as friends, and the dispute was about a motorcycle club that they were all part of.

‘That’ chapter has got Ronson more publicity for his book than any other. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion Ronson has exploited Linehan for just that reason

Regrettably, Ronson's book is top of the Sunday Times non-fiction bestsellers this week. On the plus side, the publicity has given everyone an opportunity to see exactly the kind of person he is.

“who got too embroiled in the culture wars, and it completely took over his life”

@Datun I find it infuriating as well and I am trying to work out what it is about this situation that causes the reaction above, where it really does take over your life.

I’m actually reluctant to post on this thread, because the knives are out and all kinds of lies and smears are already in play. I know that in posting, I open myself to the same, but like Graham, I have lost family over this and it has blown my life apart.

I’ve never in my life been an extremist. I’ve always been middle of the road moderate and I stumbled onto Mumsnet FWR from AIBU, just to see what it was all about.

So how did I get here? Very much as Graham describes elsewhere, I assumed this was simply a situation which would get sorted out if we simply spoke up. The demands transactivism makes are so unreasonable that it seemed obvious they couldn’t withstand even a small amount of daylight.

I campaigned openly, in my own name, because I could. My job situation was safer than most. I am still employed, so I haven’t lost as much as Graham has, though he seems to be getting some of that back.

I never expected that, years later, my children would cut me out of their lives because of it.

I think the attacks on this thread and elsewhere are part of what makes it impossible to walk away. They are clear, gaslighting, narcissistic attacks, fully intended to stop us from speaking out. My conscience tells me that, if I let them stop me, I would be a coward.

So here I am, locked into this horror, where my children are now the flying monkeys for a group of narcissists, telling me that what I believe is unacceptable, but it’s not something that I can turn around.

The aims of transactivism, which are that gender identity should take the place of sex in law and that anyone claiming to be the opposite sex must be given whatever medical treatment they desire as well as being treated as if they are the sex they claim in all circumstances, are so outrageous that they cannot be allowed to stand. And I guess that’s the crux of this. If I say nothing and do nothing and the world goes along with this insanity, then I will be partly to blame.

The whole thing is mad, and yet it’s really happening. I hope some kind of sanity and peace will return, but I don’t know if my family will ever be mended. And that is the worst thing I am having to endure, yet there is no way out, other than through.

It does. Presumably a cynical move that will make him more money than if he left it out too.

Thanks for the link, Ronson comes across as a smug, irritating git.
As a PP mentioned he failed to mention

"But that’s not all he left out. In November 2016, one of the Camp Trans organisers, a man named Dana Rivers, murdered two Michfest regulars and their adopted 19-year-old son, then set the house on fire."

That's an appalling dereliction of duty for someone who 'identify's' as a journalist.

GL is better off not having this man as a friend anymore.