Graham Linehan on the chapter about him in Jon Ronson's new book

hang on, how are you defining 'zionist'?

the jewish centre for justice defines it like this

Zionism is the belief in the Jewish people’s right to self-determination in our ancestral homeland of Israel. It affirms that Jews, like all peoples, have the right to live in safety, dignity, and sovereignty in a nation of their own.

that just sounds like being pro-Israel to me?

feels like you are not showing all of your working here. if you state some of your assumptions it might help other posters to understand where you're coming from

How? How can you be ‘pro-Israel’ while simultaneously thinking that the Jewish people have no right to a homeland?

You missed “Lots of people go to countries and are funded to do so. Are you one of those people who just has a problem when it’s Israel?” btw.

No, you can absolutely be pro-Israel without being a Zionist.

And no, I don’t have a problem with Israel. My husband is Jewish.

OMG. No. Israel funded them in return for positive coverage.

Well firstly if you are ‘pro-Israel’ you are by definition Zionist. Lots of people go to countries and are funded to do so. Are you one of those people who just has a problem when it’s Israel?

Are you suggecting Graham Lineham funded a good amount of highly influencial conservative influencers to go to Israel? If not why are you making a completely random point?

I rarely make assumptions, if I cared enough to find out I usually dig deeper to actually find out but even then, I've seen so many people accused of being an Ist or a Phobe that I'd look more who was bringing the thing up as an example of questionable behaviour than the behaviour itself.

Why would I need to make any conclusions about the funding of a trip to Israel. People are allowed to go to Israel aren't they? Other people are allowed to fund it? And who knows why anyone funds anything these days.

Nothing wrong with being pro-Israel, it's a democratic country, it has an elected government, it has laws, an educational system, a health service, it's has a social welfare system, it's the only successful country in the part of the world.

Good place to visit if it weren't for the barrage of rockets being fired at it every day by all the failed states around it.

Expensive things rockets! Where do these states get the money for them?

No, I’ll continue to be astonished at that post. Thanks.

A good amount of highly influential conservative influencers went to Israel a few months ago around about the same time and posted effusively about it. All of these people are pro-Israel (if not Zionists). What would your natural conclusions be about who might have footed the bill for their trips?

He did not attack her, she commented on him without tagging him and he quoted her in return and he did not say 'you'. If you are going to accuse someone of 'Lurching to the Radical Right' then do you not think that person has the right of reply and is allowed to make a comparison to behaviour by the 'opposite' 'side'?

No, none of this is true, it is your interpretation and says more about you than about him.

No need to ‘wow’. There’s an element on the left whose support of their “Jewish sisters” always has more than a whiff of “yea, but what did they expect?”

This was a response to someone who accused him of lunging to the Radical Right.

a - he is not wrong. This is exactly what happened and the whole point of the ' around the word 'feminists' is the point he is making.
b - he IS allowed a response and the response he makes is that 'the left/'feminists'' are not the 'goodies' they make out to be.

Glinner very frequently has made this particular dog-whistle. All Palestinians, to him, are Hamas (read: Jihadists). I don’t know if he actually believes this or is folllowing a party line of some sort, just as many conservative would-be ‘influencers’ are. Some have been paid by Israel to say certain things. (Not suggesting this of Glinner to be clear, and of course, the same could be said of the other side).

In this post, the particularly unpleasant part is the suggestion that left-wing feminists support raping and murdering jihadists because of anti-semitism - and stupidity.

Except, of course, the woman Glinner is attacking did make clear her revulsion at the 7 October attacks.

Wow.

I also recall a resounding silence from the 'feminists' in the West when it came to protesting about the horrific attacks the female Jewish festival goes suffered by the Palestinian 'freedom fighters' I think the left insists on calling them.
Very similar to the deafening silence the 'feminist's' in the West have for the plight of the women in Iran.
I don't see it as misogynist to say so, criticising women for the lack of support for other women in peril, because of a warped political agenda, isn't women hating, it's calling them out for being the useful idiots they are.
Bit like all those young dimwitted women who are voting for the Greens.

Where did he confuse Palistinians with Hamas? Or are you saying all Palistinians are jihadists?

This sort of post on X a few hours ago doesn’t really help him.

“I presume those of us on the 'radical right' have received the title because we don't support jihadists raping and murdering Jews, unlike a small but not insignificant number of left wing 'feminists'.”

Not only has he not appeared to have made the distinction between Palestinians and Hamas, he appears to believe a group of “left-wing feminists” support rape and murder on the basis of anti-semitism. That is sickening, misogynistic and he doesn’t back it up with fact. I don’t see how so many feminists can line up , one after the other, on this thread to defend such a person.

x.com/glinner/status/2094162448844783779?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

Yeah I didn't understand that bit, but I understood (and I'm sure you did to I'm explaining for people who don't click on the link) they wanted it to be female only, born female, and so even though they appeared to say that they consider trans-identified men as sisters, women even, you had to be born female to enter the festival. So I don't really understand that part about only 1 ever being kicked out, unless he was the only one who got in and the operation of kicking him out was unpleasant but necessary, and so the apology is for the indignity of it? Am speculating of course.
I remember hearing about this ages ago when Ani DiFranco made a gentle comment that maybe people should think about not taking this away from women.. is a sad story I think.

I was just thinking what is those who are campaigning for women's sex based rights stooped to the gutter level of Ronson and others and wrote article making inflammatory comments about their trans children, siblings or whatever.

Everyone would be up in arms. Saying this is a totally unacceptable thing to do.

And yet somehow they all sit there at their keyboards, making assertions about those in the public eye who support women's sex based rights.

But I suppose that reflects the reality of mentality of the TRAs.

Bully, denigrate and threaten.

According to that article tw were welcome at Michfest, only one had ever been kicked out (for which the organiser spent decades apologising for), so what were they complaining about? What did they want?

I wish it wasn't so easy for FWR to be derailed.

Really bonkers comments dont need to be answered. It only encourages them to come back.

Anyone with even an ounce of keeping in touch with what is happening and being said about women's sex based rights knows that not everyone who is concerned is a feminist.

That is partly the function of this forum. I creates a feminist framework to have the discussion, exchange of views, whatever.But elsewhere others are taking a stand.

Who care what else GL has done? Maybe he didn't give money to a donkey sanctuary.

The whole point is, not forgetting the personal loss for both him and his wife, is that by standing up for women's sex based rights in the style he did that reflects who he is (not putting on some fake persona) has lost him his livelihood, his wife, the country he thought was home.

This is the point. Not is he a saint. Not has he ticked all the right boxes.

As much as anything he has said and done he is a daily reminder of just how far those who are TRAs will go to attack those who are gender critical and in the public eye.

Not only dont feed the trolls, but dont masturbate their ego by making it seem it is worth engaging with them.

You... won the argument that you were having in your own head?
Ok well done. Have a cookie.

I couldn't get the twitter link to come up, but this is a good article about the fall of Michfest. https://www.curvemag.com/blog/festivals/michigan-womyns-music-festival-to-end-after-40-years/