Q, non binary male MEP says rape is a spectrum and has been demonised.

Well so much for internet search engines. None of them came back with that info.

Do you have the source?

In Scottish law the definition of a penis in respect of rape includes a surgically created penis

non-consensual penetration of a vagina or anus with an object is legally defined as assault by penetration, not rape

Wonder if any TRAs would take up a court case to have a fake penis recognised as an actual one.

In such a warped world wouldn't be surprised.

Edited to add this is the same in both the law in England and in Scotland

In Scots law, a woman who calls herself a transman and has a fake penis constructed from skin is theoretically capable of rape.

Yesterday an old-fashioned phrase came into my head: speaking with forked tongues. Seems to me today it's ubiquitous. You hear it everywhere, and so often, it gets hard to keep hold of the truth. The Greens are one example amongst many.

So which rapist's does he think don't deserve to be ' demonised'?

That's precisely what it's about.

'Nooo the other men, not me I'm special, pure and above reproach.'

There is a lot of discussion about the definition of rape within the trans community. But little from the perceptive of victims.

I think these men start the conversation to see how far they can push it, and backtrack if they get negative reactions.

He should fit right in.

I don’t think it is, by a distance. Probably not the worst thing he's said, even. But I don't think it's time to get the pitchforks out. He still seems an unpleasant individual who should not be occupying the post he does, especially as apparently he does not even have the right of abode for the length of the parliament. When people praise the benefits of PR, I often think, look at Scotland!

This!

How does this keep happening?

Because they're enabled by people who are so open minded that their brains fell out.

The selection of Manivannan by the Greens meets the exact same criterion.

@SylvanMoon, Jason Arday appointment

• Ideology
• woke
• EDI
• Suits Cambridge progressive narrative

Without attempting to derail the thread, I am struggling to get my head around this one.

A bit like Jason Arday's rise to fame.

A woman is not capable of rape…according to UK law.

i have no words!!!

Before being elected, Manivannan told party members that as a “queer Tamil immigrant” they would be a voice for the “working class and marginalised”.

On the campaign trail, Manivannan claimed a disadvantaged, “lower caste” background, implying that they were among the most marginalised groups in Indian society, and claimed at times to have been “hungry because I was starved”.

The Times later found that Manivannan came from an upper middle-class family and attended private school in Chennai, one of India’s wealthiest cities. The Scottish Greens have stated their strong opposition to private education. It also emerged that Manivannan owns a £250,000 property in India.

How does this keep happening? People lying through their teeth and getting away with it because no one has the presence of mind to do due diligence.

“any individual is capable of rape”.

Not according to UK law

The legal definition is preferable to his bullshit

I think that is it. And Polanski, and probably others.

So strange that women in the Green Party dont tell they to STFU about women's issues.

And they are meant to be a progressive party.

Have they ever heard of mansplaining?

Beyond belief that they are still blundering around talking and acting as though women's rights issues just dont exist.

Or aren't important.

And of course has to centre himself as the true victim here, at the end of the Times article: https://www.thetimes.com/article/b98164df-7b0e-4680-97c5-d569a7fc884b?shareToken=25a2735bbc9073f150f05f2f6a3edcc8&ver=article

He sees it from a man's point of view. Funny that.

Passing anecdote: I used to vaguely know Lorna Slater through a work connection, before she went bonkers (ScotGreen is/was co-leader with that Harvie twit) .

She was one of the earliest and most ardent acolytes, but EVEN SHE appears to have rowed back from the topic. She now seems focused on wool and butterflies.

It's not a spectrum and rape is rape. But there is a spectrum of seriousness within rape, which is reflected in the variation within the sentencing guidelines.

Doesn't stop him comments being grim though.