Q, non binary male MEP says rape is a spectrum and has been demonised.

Humiliation for Q Manivannan as he finishes THIRD in St Andrews rector contest

The controversial Scottish Greens MSP stated he was too busy to hold constituency surgeries but wanted to pick up a second job as rector of St Andrews University.

Full article https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/humiliation-q-manivannan-finishes-third-37782617

(I added this here as I think the latest thread - and earlier on here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5528202-trans-green-party-candidate-with-no-british-visa-elected-to-holyrood?page=1 )

Yeah the gay "incel" is more like the jaded gay guy who is sick of meaningless hookups and is looking for a deeper emotional connections. Or the young gay guy who purposely avoids easy sex. because he is emotionally vulnerable and is looking for love and fears being exploited.

There are similarities to straight male incels, but it is quite different too. Loving men is not easy.

As for Mr Minivan he is playing the latest version of the arty emotional lefty bloke who can pull women very easily, but is arguably often more of a nightmare than a straight forward guy. It is a very attractive type of man, they can be amazing people, but also they can be self centred sexist jerks who lead young women round in circles while making them feel at fault because they are great talkers. I mean the nonbinary thing is the latest scam these type of guys will use to make themselves seem more interesting than they are. At least with a guy who is obsessed with ww2. trains or football you know where you stand.

I don't think he believes any of this stuff, he's just a grifter, and he can see the Scottish parliament are full of a bunch of absolute numpties who are delighted to welcome him as he's saying the "right" words and identifying as a currently fashionable (to the Scottish government) "Queer" person, when in fact he appears to just be a bog standard straight male.

It's the emperor's new clothes and he knows this and is enjoying all this attention and no doubt laughing at them lapping up all the shite he talks. It would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating. I really despair of how the Scottish government has turned out. Those of us who have to fall in line and suffer the consequences of the government's stupid policies aren't laughing. Thank god for For Women Scotland that's all I'll say. They will not stop holding all these numpties to account. And I'll keep donating to them and telling as many people as I can what's happening up here.

If you live in a certain parts of some metropolitan areas.

Sweet innocent child you have absolutely no idea about the gay sex scene if you think easy hook ups for gay sex are only in "certain parts" in "some metropolitan areas.😀

I don't know how easy it is to find a female prostitute but wherever you are in the country finding another guy for sex is really easy & free. If you are having easy free gay sex with other guys then you are not celibate.

<sad eyes of the only gay in the village>

It's incredibly easy to hook up for gay sex.

If you live in a certain parts of some metropolitan areas.

If you want to "hook up" for sex.

That's a bit like saying heterosexual men needn't be celibate because they can pay a prostitute.

I would suggest that there are many gay men, who for a number of reasons, are celibate.

I would suggest that there are few if any gay men, who are involuntarily celibate. I write as a bisexual man so have some experience of the gay sex scene & know what I am talking about. It's incredibly easy to hook up for gay sex.

I would suggest that there are many gay men, who for a number of reasons, are celibate.

Just a tiny bit of a cliche to suggest that all gay men are endlessly shagging each other.

Well, he's loaded.

Incel is shorthand for involuntarily celibate so I seriously doubt that any gay man could be an incel given the opportunities online & IRL for gay sex hook ups.

Hmmm his clarification makes it more suspicious?

Why is he speaking about this anyway- rape is very specifically defined in law in a way that makes it different from other types of SA- what does he want to change about that?

One wonders what the trans activists think. Surely they should all be cringing with their heads in their hands... ? Or is that too much to ask, and they probably agree with him?

I was commenting about whether he was gay, but countering what seemed to be the suggestion that someone who was gay wouldn't be an incel!

As I live next door to him it seems that he is getting his hole on a regular basis given that he is regularly entertaining the ladies, like proper female wummin as defined by the Supreme Court of this land, whom all seem to adore him and laugh and squeak at his every word. I dinnae think that they are of a feminist persuasion tho'.

I doubt that Minivan is a gay. He lives next door and his comings and goings entirely involve beautiful women. He does not present as a trans either, he's just another shagger chancer tbh!
Oddly, as a so called 'Green' person he never cycles, nor uses the 16 bus nor the Newhaven Tram and he NEVER walks about much. His mode of transport is taxi, taxi, taxi.

I sort of agree with what you are saying but would like to suggest that gay men can also be incels!

It’s interesting people talking about him sounding like an incel. When he said he was queer I took that as gay without thinking but now I’m not sure. I suppose straight people say queer nowadays just to be cool 😂

https://www.dailyo.in/lifestyle/queer-indians-lgbtqi-cisgender-loneliness-love-18176

'Speaking to members of the LGBTQIA+ community in India, I understood that rooted in their alienation was society's general antagonism and belittling of the so-called "feminine" attributes of people, irrespective of sex.
One such individual who wished to remain anonymous, reflected upon his time many decades ago when he was struggling to accept his identity as a gay man. Back then, homosexuality wasn't a concept that people knew, but femininity was.
...
He hence had to undergo the intense internal conflict of whether he was a woman in a man's body, because it was so incomprehensible that a man could be attracted to other men. Society alienated him for this, where even another man he was with at the time, called him a "transgender" in a derogatory fashion during an argument.'

What the ever loving fuck is the significance of a preference for someone who can take care of you when you're unwell.

As opposed to...?

Someone who doesn't give a flying fuck if you're sick as shit and says see you later love, I'm off to play golf?

Yeah, total control vibes, with Incel overtones, and all women love a caveman really, who can't possibly be expected to understand consent. (Because of his beard and big hands 😁).

Mmn.

Obsessed with women. Or rather his fantasy group of women.

Very excited by mansplaining his exciting theories about this fantasised group to ... well, anyone who will listen, there's at least one journalist now poised in the hope that his foot is fast approaching his mouth again.

Whole thing appears to be a sexual fantasy of his, based around the good old trope of 'proper man sorts out bossy, tough women until they go all gooey and submissive to him like what they want to really'. The interest in rape starts to look uncomfortable in connection.

And yes. The incel vibe and/or the possibility of suddenly announcing he's now called Amanda would seem a bit.... full on.

'They would portray this dissonance as a “preference”. A “preference” for large hands, a “preference” for a tall, fit and handsome man, a “preference” for someone who could take care of them when unwell, a “preference” for a beard, and a “preference” for a baritone voice that’s “sexy”. A “preference” for a certain type of masculinity.

“Sexy” is discriminatory, privilege-driven, and patriarchal. “Sexy” is the well-defined body that only the economically well-endowed can craft with repeated trips to the gym, diets, and whey protein."'

The absolute miserable bitterness dripping off this is fantastic. 😁

I'm actually starting to think Q might be good value for money and am quite glad we have him as an example of Scottish Green fragile masculinity.

I bet he's still not getting his hole. Nae luck, wee man! 😄

100%

Sounds to me like Q is cross because women dont want to have sexy time with Q.

Is all this bollocks over the fact he has small dick energy?

“Sexy” is the well-defined body that only the economically well-endowed can craft with repeated trips to the gym, diets, and whey protein."

Has he not seen how ripped some bin men are? Work your arse off in a physically demanding job keeping our streets sanitary, putting up houses or out fires, or go to prison in the US. Writing nonsense while gazing at your navel isn't going to give you a 'well-defined body'. It doesn't mean he can't attract a cervix haver or scrotum gantry (I suspect while apparently not knowing his own sex he'd be keenly aware of the sex of any person he'd be lucky enough to shag).

I wasn't quite sure what the post would be about, but in no time I was just sitting there laughing.

What planet or even century does this man live in?

How does he function on a daily basis.

Its like something out of the Daily Mail in the 1970s when some men were trying to be sympathetic to Women's Liberation but would always end up saying it is women's nature to nurture and need the security of a strong man. ie Women's Liberation will fail because its demands go against women's "nature".

Talk about a blast from the past.

Sounds like a bog-standard incel rant of the "Waah! Women only like alpha males" variety.