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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cancellation of WRN NI event at Féile festival.

321 replies

SexRealistic · 21/07/2026 21:15

Did anyone catch up with the cancellation of WRN NIs event at Féile and Phobail festivak today?

Apparently it’s ‘anti trans’ except the event was about women’s voices being heard.

JKR offered to fund….

Cancellation of WRN NI event at Féile festival.
Cancellation of WRN NI event at Féile festival.
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TrainyWainy · 30/07/2026 09:34

Bit of the old American cultural imperialism there, as a treat.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/07/2026 09:39

MashaPav · 30/07/2026 08:16

It’s about time the UK implements Anti-SLAPP laws to prevent rich bigots from threatening lawsuits when something happens which they don’t agree with.

😂😂😂 aren't they the ones who protect critics and campaigners from being stopped from Public Participation. If we had them the WRN NI couldn't have been cancelled. So OK let's have SLAPP laws. 😁

GreyskySexRealistsky · 30/07/2026 09:49

MashaPav · 30/07/2026 08:16

It’s about time the UK implements Anti-SLAPP laws to prevent rich bigots from threatening lawsuits when something happens which they don’t agree with.

I think you've been listening to the "legal experts" on Reddit again!
Do carry on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2026 10:34

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 02:59

I know what you mean. They’d seemed so ready to pursue this.

I suppose it could be the fact that they’re a grassroots organisation, that comprises ordinary women fitting all this in around the usual million things women have on their plates, and that could have made litigation feel like it was too much for them to take on.

Although, monetary help from the JKR fund would have allowed them to turn things over to solicitors to handle on their behalf. And there would have been groups in GB who could have offered support/advice.

I dunno….it feels like a strange decision 🤷‍♀️

I wonder if they were stitched up by Feile. I absolutely wouldn’t have settled without a public apology or acknowledgement that they conceded something. Is this group part of the main WRN with Heather Binning in charge?

MyAmpleSheep · 30/07/2026 11:32

It’s possible someone made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 12:59

Journalist David Thompson wrote an article regarding the two statements that has a bit more information than other sources I've read:

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/feile-an-phobail-claim-vindication-as-womens-rights-network-say-cancelled-event-to-go-ahead-at-alternative-venue-8827825

'A separate legal case has been threatened by Sex Matters, a UK charity which campaigns for sex-based rights for women and girls.

While the WRN case is understood to have focused on contractual issues between themselves and Féile an Phobail, the Sex Matters argument is focused on discrimination law. They had said it is “prejudicial and discriminatory for Féile an Phobail to join in with the online attacks and to smear WRN, Sex Matters and the panellists as “campaigning against the rights of the trans community” and as being inconsistent with “fully supporting the rights of the Transgender community to be treated with equality and respect

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 13:13

MashaPav · 30/07/2026 08:16

It’s about time the UK implements Anti-SLAPP laws to prevent rich bigots from threatening lawsuits when something happens which they don’t agree with.

Do you prefer the women of Northern Ireland to be controlled by the armed bigots from terrorist groups who still have control of large sections of the culture and the population?

I live in a country where, last weekend, terrorist sympathisers were caught transporting a large car bomb that would have resulted in yet more death and destruction here. Over the last year, we've had terrorists hijacking ordinary people's cars, putting bombs in them, and then forcing these people to drive their cars to police stations in an attempt to kill people - the men from these terrorist groups don't care if they hurt civilians or police officers.

In addition, NI doesn't have the same legal or legislative system as GB and we're a post-conflict society that is learning to use the law rather than using guns, riots, and bombs to make decisions about the direction in which our society is going - at least do some basic research when you're talking about people from other countries.

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 13:40

Helen Joyce (in her newsletter) states:

'...today I am sitting down to write an op-ed for consideration by the Belfast Telegraph, in response to a column it published last week by a journalist I had not previously heard of, Allison Morris, who reports on crime in Northern Ireland. I don’t know whether it will be published, but if it is I will send out a link.'

It'll be interesting to see if the BelTel publishes her response.

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 14:40

Thanks for the link 👍 Found an archived version for anyone who needs it:

http://archive.today/4kQEE

Keeptoiletssafe · 30/07/2026 14:49

That isn’t really that well timed for the opinion piece journalist that argued with Helen Joyce. Saying no women had been murdered by men in public toilets so implying mixed toilets were safe and why are people going on about them.

It’s a very low bar to set. What doesn’t kill you is bearable?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2026 15:32

WTAF, that’s unbelievable!

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/07/2026 19:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2026 10:34

I wonder if they were stitched up by Feile. I absolutely wouldn’t have settled without a public apology or acknowledgement that they conceded something. Is this group part of the main WRN with Heather Binning in charge?

Additional information from Heather Binning:

https://x.com/HeatherB_WRN/status/2082806736151355795?s=20

I am disappointed but not surprised that the men of the Feile team took to social media to gloat and crow about their intransigence. There was no win for them and representing it that way is disingenuous.

WRN wished for Feile to WANT to reinstate our panel discussion rather than be FORCED to.

However despite cancelling our event, Feile provided us with a platform far bigger than merely west Belfast to get our message heard across Northern Ireland and further afield. Conversations about whether women have the right to speak openly and honestly, about whether a publicly funded organisation - regardless of its origins - should ensure it represents ALL lawful viewpoints and experiences, and demonstrate for the world to see just exactly who is trying to marginalise who here.

Who knew women were such a threat!

Respect, rights and reality - I’ll buy you a dictionary.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/07/2026 21:21

Well said Heather, lets hope it does turn out to be an own goal by the gloating men, which hopefully will wipe the smirk right off their faces.

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/07/2026 13:49

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/07/2026 21:21

Well said Heather, lets hope it does turn out to be an own goal by the gloating men, which hopefully will wipe the smirk right off their faces.

In my experience, men like these have to be forced to do the right thing because they're not going to do it willingly.

The situation here differs from GB because only Aontú (small Nationalist party) and the Unionist parties support WRN in Stormont: the other parties won't agree to change law or policy unless forced to by a court. or via direct rule from Westminster. We have a power sharing legislature and parties from both sides have to agree for law to change/be implemented.

The Equality Commission for NI are refusing to request implementation of the Supreme Court's FWS judgment, saying it likely doesn't apply in N Ireland because of Brexit-related legal arrangements and have asked our High Court for an opinion. That case won't be heard until December and then we'll have to wait for a judgement.

We are years behind GB in terms of promoting women's rights anyway and now we're years behind on this specific issue too.

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/07/2026 15:57

TwiX post from Nora Calder of WRN in N Ireland:

https://x.com/NoraTheBora/status/2082920939721753049

https://nitter.net/NoraTheBora/status/2082920939721753049

I want to say a huge thank you to every woman in ni_wrn who has given so much to get us to this point.

To the women who took time away from their families, missed appointments, took time off work, stayed up until all hours, answered messages, made calls, wrote, organised, faced abuse, intimidation and threats, and kept going through an incredibly demanding few weeks. So much of what you have all given, sacrificed and endured will never be seen publicly, but every bit of it mattered.

Things will not always go exactly as we hope. There will be difficult days and unexpected turns along the way. We pick ourselves up, we keep moving forward, and we never lose sight of why we’re here.

And look at how far we have come.

It has taken years to get the conversation about women’s sex-based rights to where it is today in Northern Ireland. Today, that conversation is mainstream. People are talking. People are asking questions. Women who once thought they were alone are finding each other, speaking up and realising that their voices matter.

That cannot be undone.

There is still a long way to go, but we have come too far to stop now.

Our full focus turns to Respect, Rights & Reality on Tuesday 4 August, and to the ECNI Judicial Review, which could shape the course of women’s rights in Northern Ireland for decades to come.

We know why we are here. We know what we are fighting for. And however long it takes, we will keep showing up, we will keep speaking, and we will keep going.

💜🤍💚

Nora (@NoraTheBora) on X

I want to say a huge thank you to every woman in @ni_wrn who has given so much to get us to this point. To the women who took time away from their families, missed appointments, took time off work, stayed up until all hours, answered messages, made ca...

https://x.com/NoraTheBora/status/2082920939721753049

WrongKindOfFeminist · 01/08/2026 09:50

https://equalityni.org/our-work/news/respectful-public-debate-and-protected-beliefs

'Legal proceedings in the High Court in Belfast have now concluded in respect of an allegation of breach of contract in relation to the decision by Féile an Phobail to withdraw a Women’s Rights Network event from its programme of events for this year.

That specific allegation falls outside the scope of the Equality Commission’s remit, and we will not comment directly on those proceedings. However, given the relevance of equality law, it seems timely to reflect on the nature and tone of the dialogue that surrounded the decision.

It could reasonably have been anticipated that the Féile’s decision would generate considerable discussion and controversy and that views would quickly become polarised. What is particularly concerning is how the complexity of the issues is lost when people quickly choose sides in a heated and very public debate. It is important that debate is informed by an understanding of the law and conducted in a way that respects the rights and dignity of everyone involved.

The fundamental principles of mutual respect, pluralism and tolerance, i.e. treating one another with respect, accepting that different views can exist, and allowing people to express those views lawfully, peacefully and with toleration, are hallmarks of a democratic society. In Northern Ireland, those principles are reflected in a number of areas of law, including equality law, human rights law, public order law and laws regulating the use of media and communications.
Of particular relevance to this debate is the Fair Employment and Treatment (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 (‘FETO’), which prohibits discrimination and harassment against employees because they hold, or do not hold, protected religious or philosophical beliefs or political opinions, or because they have expressed such beliefs or opinions. But remember, FETO also prohibits discrimination against service users on the grounds of the protected religious beliefs or political opinions that they hold, do not hold, or express.

Employment tribunals and courts in Great Britain have accepted that people who hold, or do not hold, particular beliefs about gender identity may be protected against unlawful discrimination. That protection may apply both to so-called ‘gender critical beliefs’, such as a belief that sex correlates with biology rather than identity, and to so-called ‘gender identity beliefs’, such as a belief that everyone has a gender identity which may differ from their biological sex.
In the Equality Commission’s view, industrial tribunals and courts in Northern Ireland are likely to adopt similar reasoning and conclusions when applying equality law here. The Fair Employment Tribunal has recently accepted that one employee’s ‘gender critical beliefs’ were a protected ‘political opinion’ for the purposes of an employment-related claim under FETO. Ultimately, in the event that an aggrieved person brings a complaint it would be for the tribunal or court hearing that complaint to decide if unlawful discrimination had occurred based on the particular facts of any case and after considering any legal defences that the employer or service provider may be able to raise.

That aside, the Commission’s concern here is with the public commentary that often accompanies such disputes. Such commentary, whether on social media or elsewhere, is misleading and wrong if it suggests that people who hold protected ‘gender critical beliefs’ or ‘gender identity beliefs’ are not entitled to hold those beliefs or should not be able to express them respectfully. Commentary that encourages harassment of people because of such beliefs is especially dangerous and must be condemned.

People may hold and express different protected beliefs, including deeply held and contested beliefs, but that does not diminish the equal worth of others to hold or express different views as long as all the views are expressed legally. Employers and service providers should be encouraged and supported to ensure that their policies and their implementation are operating in a way that affords everyone dignity while at work or accessing services.

Public debate that fails to respect everyone’s dignity or that mispresents the law can make these responsibilities under equality law more difficult to meet. Ultimately, equality law in Northern Ireland protects everyone’s right to be treated with dignity and respect.

Geraldine McGahey, Chief Commissioner'

 That specific allegation falls outside the scope of the Equality Commission’s remit, and we will not comment directly on those proceedings. However, given the relevance of equality law, it seems timely to reflect on the nature and tone of the dialogue...

Respectful public debate and protected beliefs

 That specific allegation falls outside the scope of the Equality Commission’s remit, and we will not comment directly on those proceedings. However,…

https://equalityni.org/our-work/news/respectful-public-debate-and-protected-beliefs

ItsCoolForCats · 01/08/2026 12:28

WrongKindOfFeminist · 01/08/2026 09:50

https://equalityni.org/our-work/news/respectful-public-debate-and-protected-beliefs

'Legal proceedings in the High Court in Belfast have now concluded in respect of an allegation of breach of contract in relation to the decision by Féile an Phobail to withdraw a Women’s Rights Network event from its programme of events for this year.

That specific allegation falls outside the scope of the Equality Commission’s remit, and we will not comment directly on those proceedings. However, given the relevance of equality law, it seems timely to reflect on the nature and tone of the dialogue that surrounded the decision.

It could reasonably have been anticipated that the Féile’s decision would generate considerable discussion and controversy and that views would quickly become polarised. What is particularly concerning is how the complexity of the issues is lost when people quickly choose sides in a heated and very public debate. It is important that debate is informed by an understanding of the law and conducted in a way that respects the rights and dignity of everyone involved.

The fundamental principles of mutual respect, pluralism and tolerance, i.e. treating one another with respect, accepting that different views can exist, and allowing people to express those views lawfully, peacefully and with toleration, are hallmarks of a democratic society. In Northern Ireland, those principles are reflected in a number of areas of law, including equality law, human rights law, public order law and laws regulating the use of media and communications.
Of particular relevance to this debate is the Fair Employment and Treatment (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 (‘FETO’), which prohibits discrimination and harassment against employees because they hold, or do not hold, protected religious or philosophical beliefs or political opinions, or because they have expressed such beliefs or opinions. But remember, FETO also prohibits discrimination against service users on the grounds of the protected religious beliefs or political opinions that they hold, do not hold, or express.

Employment tribunals and courts in Great Britain have accepted that people who hold, or do not hold, particular beliefs about gender identity may be protected against unlawful discrimination. That protection may apply both to so-called ‘gender critical beliefs’, such as a belief that sex correlates with biology rather than identity, and to so-called ‘gender identity beliefs’, such as a belief that everyone has a gender identity which may differ from their biological sex.
In the Equality Commission’s view, industrial tribunals and courts in Northern Ireland are likely to adopt similar reasoning and conclusions when applying equality law here. The Fair Employment Tribunal has recently accepted that one employee’s ‘gender critical beliefs’ were a protected ‘political opinion’ for the purposes of an employment-related claim under FETO. Ultimately, in the event that an aggrieved person brings a complaint it would be for the tribunal or court hearing that complaint to decide if unlawful discrimination had occurred based on the particular facts of any case and after considering any legal defences that the employer or service provider may be able to raise.

That aside, the Commission’s concern here is with the public commentary that often accompanies such disputes. Such commentary, whether on social media or elsewhere, is misleading and wrong if it suggests that people who hold protected ‘gender critical beliefs’ or ‘gender identity beliefs’ are not entitled to hold those beliefs or should not be able to express them respectfully. Commentary that encourages harassment of people because of such beliefs is especially dangerous and must be condemned.

People may hold and express different protected beliefs, including deeply held and contested beliefs, but that does not diminish the equal worth of others to hold or express different views as long as all the views are expressed legally. Employers and service providers should be encouraged and supported to ensure that their policies and their implementation are operating in a way that affords everyone dignity while at work or accessing services.

Public debate that fails to respect everyone’s dignity or that mispresents the law can make these responsibilities under equality law more difficult to meet. Ultimately, equality law in Northern Ireland protects everyone’s right to be treated with dignity and respect.

Geraldine McGahey, Chief Commissioner'

That is a good statement and I hope it carries some weight coming from the Chief Commissioner of the Equity Commission. Is it too much to hope that the Féile woke bros and the likes of Allison Morris might reflect on it? I only ever heard the representatives from WRN NI be respectful. All the gloating, smearing and name calling (fascists, far right, bigots etc. etc) came from one side.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 02/08/2026 14:21

It is a really good statement. And imo that's exactly what the EC should be doing - trying to promote good relations in society.

I agree that the shoddy behaviour of Feile and supporters did not reflect well on them.

MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2026 16:52

Quite a good statement, we are so used to the 'both sides are toxic' line that it's a relief that her statement is more thoughtful and even-handed that that.

It doesn't say so in so many words, but I think the obvious conclusion to draw from it is that WRN were denied the right to participate in 'public debate'.

I have doubts about this though:
Employment tribunals and courts in Great Britain have accepted that people who hold, or do not hold, particular beliefs about gender identity may be protected against unlawful discrimination. That protection may apply both to so-called ‘gender critical beliefs’, such as a belief that sex correlates with biology rather than identity, and to so-called ‘gender identity beliefs’, such as a belief that everyone has a gender identity which may differ from their biological sex.

This implies that 'gender ID' beliefs are the same as 'GC' beliefs, but only the latter have been ruled WORIADS.

But overall, it's good that somebody is keeping a firm hold on the concepts of objectivity and fairness!

moto748e · 02/08/2026 17:25

Hate the word 'belief' in this context.

such as a belief that sex correlates with biology rather than identity

It's not a belief, it's a fact!

Keeptoiletssafe · 02/08/2026 18:08

I used to teach biology, not religion. Biology is factual not a belief system.

Savvysix1984 · 03/08/2026 12:31

I see the WRN network tickets sold out very quickly and I missed the boat! They will be doing a free recording which will be available afterwards.