Organisations refusing to give their single sex spaces policy - David Lloyd for example

For Women Scotland

I don't know what FWS means but no there was noone else fighting it just me and a couple of other women from the hospital.

I never said it was the same. Please don’t twist my words.

you have just attacked me by saying that.

I never ever ever said it was the same. Please don’t lie.

That’s good then isn’t it. And it’s all because of FWS and the wonderful women campaigning to ensure sex means sex and not gender.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. If you think going to the gym is the same as being locked on a psychiatric ward then we just have different opinions.

I don't think you are reading what I have written because I have clearly said that due to my experience I campaigned for the wards to be single sex and they now are. I have not at any time suggested loosening protections for women by letting DL off the hook. I have said DL should have single sex changing rooms. It is my opinion that there are men who use 'trans' as a way to get their way as they always have through history. I do not believe they are all suffering body dismorphia. Again we can agree to disagree. A trans identifying individual has not asked me. I just prefer my child alive.

Perhaps we can draw a line under this now as I am feeling very attacked by you. From one vulnerable woman to another I hope we can leave it there and focus on the men causing the issues rather than fighting between ourselves.

This.

plus I can’t freely leave when I’m having a panic attack and soiling myself because there’s a man on the other side of the door can I?

I am truly truly sorry that you were sexually abused in a psych ward. Truly. But the answer to that is to enshrine single sex spaces, not to loosen protections for women by letting orgs such as David Lloyd off the hook, or by talking about the “real” trans identifying individuals (no true Scotsman fallacy) or using wrong sex pronouns because a trans identifying individual has asked you to (pronouns are Rohypnol).

That’s good then isn’t it. And it’s all because of FWS and the wonderful women campaigning to ensure sex means sex and not gender.

My point was it isn't a new thing since trans ideology came on the scene. At my local hospital wards are now single sex.

But they are still in mixed sex wards. It’s part of what women are fighting for.

Not at my local hospital. I don't know of the policy everywhere. But we have never had single sex psych wards. When I was there we had men of all sorts including men choosing to present as women sometimes only at times.

But males are put in female psych wards if they claim to be women. So women still do not have single sex psych wards do they? Still mixed sex. A TIF was put in a male psych ward and raped within an hour. So no, psych wards are still not single sex.

Women sectioned on mental health wards.

Women sectioned on mental health wards.

But males are put in female psych wards if they claim to be women. So women still do not have single sex psych wards do they? Still mixed sex. A TIF was put in a male psych ward and raped within an hour. So no, psych wards are still not single sex.

Which women are these?

No.

But surely you see the difference between going to a gym that you can choose and freely leave when you want. That you would very unlikely be SAd at and a woman who is locked on a ward with men SA them every day?

My consultant has said I need to go to the gym. He actually recommended the trainer I have working with me. And he said swimming would be really good for me.

it’s quite the new one on me that I’m miscalled for following consultants advice.

I support no such ideology. So no, I've not caused women to lose single sex spaces.

What I have done is enable women to have single sex spaces who never had them in the first place. The women you all forget about.

Are you saying I'm a trans identifying male?!

But as you said to @taztoy, no one needs to go the gym, it is also true no one needs to be on a discussion board do they? @taztoy is aiming her anger in the right place. Those who support the GI ideology who have caused women to lose their single sex spaces.

A trans identifying male is not a vulnerable woman.