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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2

996 replies

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:32

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

CW - Chris Williams, Senior Lecturer History
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SE - Sarah Earle, Prof of Medical Sociology, Director HWSRA 2016-22
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

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popebishop · 09/10/2023 15:06

would likely agree
would likely agree
would likely agree

Ahhhh they definitely all think this, even though they cleverly say different things... but we all know what they mean!

Datun · 09/10/2023 15:06

Melissamelisante · 09/10/2023 15:04

She was asserting that people who joined the network would likely agree that transwomen force women to suck female cock.

Omg!!

so she's trying to say that they won't force women to suck female cock. But she still thinks it's fine to include the term female cock???

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literalviolence · 09/10/2023 15:06

Melissamelisante · 09/10/2023 15:04

She was asserting that people who joined the network would likely agree that transwomen force women to suck female cock.

Given that they is an academic, does they have evidence for that statement? If not, they is just airing their prejudices..... which one might think is a bit of a problem in an employment tribunal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2023 15:06

It's mentioned in the podcast.

OvaHere · 09/10/2023 15:05

GCITC · 09/10/2023 15:01

PB - ...suck female cock.

BC - OK we will leave it there. Those are my questions.

😂😂😂

WTF?

popebishop · 09/10/2023 15:05

cross-posted...

Melissamelisante · 09/10/2023 15:04

She was asserting that people who joined the network would likely agree that transwomen force women to suck female cock.

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ickky · 09/10/2023 15:04

AnnaMagnani · 09/10/2023 15:02

How, how did the witness get on to sucking female cock???

Your guess is as good as mine.

I think they (when I say they, I mean all the OU witnesses) must have a pact to get that sentence in there somewhere.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 09/10/2023 15:04

GCITC · 09/10/2023 15:01

PB - ...suck female cock.

BC - OK we will leave it there. Those are my questions.

😂😂😂

Ooh! 😂

She doesn't realise that she's been steered by an expert hand.

The words 'female cock' must have reverberated around that room, like the peal of an enormous bell. Where the sound waves keep hitting your ear drum long after it's finished.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 09/10/2023 15:03

Oh that was priceless! 😂

VWdieselnightmare · 09/10/2023 15:03

Like many people here, I consider money invested in Ben to be money well spent. You see where your money goes. Can't begin to imagine all the thought and planning and checking that goes into devising the precise series of questions needed to shoo the sheep witness down the Lane of Faulty Reasoning and into the Pen of Fools.

Datun · 09/10/2023 15:03

popebishop · 09/10/2023 14:56

It's really quite disturbing to read when someone is forced to account for their ideology.

I bloody love it, and it never bloody happens!

Yes, Ben is like a gender critical mage, who like Brigadoon, is only allowed to be seen once every hundred years.

Or slightly more often if we can do some magical gardening.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 09/10/2023 15:03

Sisterpita · 09/10/2023 14:59

What facilities would a non-binary person not be able to access at work?

Witness did state earlier in that it was difficult to find appropriate toilet facilities that they found comfortable to use. Perhaps they were thinking of this?

AnnaMagnani · 09/10/2023 15:02

How, how did the witness get on to sucking female cock???

CriticalCondition · 09/10/2023 15:02

GCITC · 09/10/2023 15:01

PB - ...suck female cock.

BC - OK we will leave it there. Those are my questions.

😂😂😂

Shock
Melissamelisante · 09/10/2023 15:01

Ben has left the witness there, talking about 'sucking female cock' (said in a low voice). Snort.

Original poster
ickky · 09/10/2023 15:01

They literally cannot answer a simple question. They should definitely be a politician.

Bizarrely started going on about sucking female cock. 😂

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GCITC · 09/10/2023 15:01

PB - ...suck female cock.

BC - OK we will leave it there. Those are my questions.

😂😂😂

chilling19 · 09/10/2023 14:59

Err so what was the point of signing the letter then?

Sisterpita · 09/10/2023 14:59

What facilities would a non-binary person not be able to access at work?

GCITC · 09/10/2023 14:58

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/10/2023 14:49

Did the judge just misgender the witness, or is tribunal tweets paraphrasing?

Sure she said she

chilling19 · 09/10/2023 14:57

Oh, hi Ben! Patience personified 😂

popebishop · 09/10/2023 14:56

It's really quite disturbing to read when someone is forced to account for their ideology.

I bloody love it, and it never bloody happens!

literalviolence · 09/10/2023 14:56

Datun · 09/10/2023 14:55

It's really quite disturbing to read when someone is forced to account for their ideology.

None of it is logical, rational, fair, balanced.

It's all so one-sided, and because I said so

with lots of "you said x but we know you really meant" used to justify the discrimination

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