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So ... my client posted a violent fantasy about me!

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 18/09/2023 21:42

Posted in F&WR in the hopes of an audience who gets what my issue is and can offer advice!

So ... client [insert function; I shall call him X] hates me! This is not all that out of the norm insofar as X seems to hate vendors in general. Not great but also no big deal.

X also seems to dislike me in particular. And - to quote my white, cishet [I know this isn't the lingo around here - using it to reinforce my point] male colleague: "it's just insanely obvious how much more vicious he is in reaction to you compared to any man who has dared to make equally obvious statements!" [specifically, I declined to entertain his demands on the grounds that it would have lost my firm money - and I said so!]. Still: unfortunate, but it happens!

Here's what has freaked me out: a [female] colleague of X's privately pinged me a link to what I can only describe as a violent, hate-fuelled online post filled with gruesome detail about the abuse of [supposedly fictional woman whose name is not quite mine but very eerily similar] saying "you do realise that's X and it's about you?! I'm disgusted!".

The claim is credible. But, at the same time, it's just "anonymous creep on the internet". It's also really disturbing. It makes me feel afraid of X. But dealing with X - even though I know that he hates me - is part of my job.

WWYD?

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 18/09/2023 23:03

@Moonlamp, this is such a stressful situation, but this has made me laugh out loud!

Thank you!

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Moonlamp · 18/09/2023 22:59

I'd play merry hell about this.
Tell HR. Show and tell the client. Tell his seniors. Post it on Twitter. Rent one of those cars with a megaphone on the roof. Spend the afternoon in a sign writing plane. Let him know you KNOW.

You never need deal with this scumbag again. I wouldn't, and I'd let the world know why.

PerkingFaintly · 18/09/2023 22:54

Maybe don't see it as demanding rectification, but as avoiding future contact.

"After his meeting with Eleanor, your Junior Staffer posted this violent fantasy about Ellie. I'm afraid my company will not agree to any more contact with Junior Staffer; none of us feel safe dealing with him now that we know what's going on behind the mask. We will be happy to continue dealing with your company if you would like to appoint a different contact person."

Of course only do this if you're genuinely prepared for them to choose not to buy from you any more.

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:53

do the police ever keep witnessess confidential - so if OPs friend was to confirm she knew it was from him, would that help it be recorded and could she remain anonymous?

DevonorLondon · 18/09/2023 22:52

At my work we do training videos about scenarios where clients are offensive/abusive, and the message is to report it. Your company has a duty to protect you from abusive interactions, regardless of how senior you are. The suggestion above to take this up with client firm’s HR to investigate sounds the best approach to me. They won’t want their firm degraded in reputation by such behaviour.

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 22:50

This is the Met, but will be the same for anywhere:

https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/har/harassment-on-social-media/

'If there has only been a single communication, it’s unlikely it would qualify as harassment, but could be considered a malicious communication. For such an offence to be committed, a message must be sent to another person, or sent via a public communications network, that is indecent, grossly offensive, obscene, threatening or menacing.
How to report online harassment, malicious messaging or distribution of private sexual images without consent

You can report harassment, malicious messaging or distribution of private sexual images without consent online or by calling us on 101.

We will be able to confirm whether an offence has been committed, based on the full facts and your individual situation. In order to assist us with our investigation you must not respond to the message as it may encourage the sender and make the situation worse.

If possible, take a screenshot of the message so if it gets deleted later there will still be a record of what was said.'

HeidiInTheBigCity · 18/09/2023 22:49

It doesn't have his name on it - it does have a user name that is plausible.

Again, fictionalised version:

Think along the lines of "he's the biggest Arsenal fan out there - and the user name is 'EmiratesVIPBox'".

Again, not that, but comparable. It's clear it's him. But it's all circumstantial.

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AvacadoFieldsForever · 18/09/2023 22:44

Does it have his name on it? If so an anonymous email to his HR and manager could be sent.

In light of the recent Russell Brand controversy they should be pretty hot on cracking down on creepy behaviour.

certainly don’t meet one on one with him ever going forward.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 18/09/2023 22:41

Reading along and appreciating all suggestions, considering.

Please note that I shall share absolutely nothing about the person who tipped me off or her circumstances that I haven't said already - this is still the Internet and I will not want to put her at risk in the exceedingly unlikely event someone should happen to come across this!

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/09/2023 22:40

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 22:35

This is horrible, OP. I'm so sorry.

I'm not quite so sure that police would be disinterested - I know of a [slightly] similar situation that the police took very seriously as a credible threat and issued a warning. I think if nothing else recording it is worth your while - keep any and all evidence.

I would love to be proved wrong! It's horrible for the OP.

OhComeOnFFS · 18/09/2023 22:40

That is so scary. You should insist you're not going to work with him.

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:37

yes I agree, I think any matter of recording is necessary. I imagine an ideal situation would be for you never to work with him again, and also for him to know that it has been legally recorded

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 22:35

This is horrible, OP. I'm so sorry.

I'm not quite so sure that police would be disinterested - I know of a [slightly] similar situation that the police took very seriously as a credible threat and issued a warning. I think if nothing else recording it is worth your while - keep any and all evidence.

DontBeAPrickDarren · 18/09/2023 22:35

Has it been posted publicly? How did the person who sent it to you come across it?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/09/2023 22:33

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:28

do they record it?

Not as far as I know - no crime number is issued.

In the OP's case, IANAL, but I cannot see what offence has been committed. It is sadly not unlawful to describe your violent fantasies about women online - it if were, half of the internet would be closed down. If the creep had sent the post to the OP, it might be different, but he hasn't

Irridescantshimmmer · 18/09/2023 22:33

What if the lines between the truth and fantasy are merged for x.

How would you know you are safe? Is it a risk worth taking?

I think as a last resort, at the very minimum, if you have a 1 - 1 with this strange character you need someone with you not just for protection but as a witness.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 18/09/2023 22:30

@Spotnessmonster, I would never expose that colleague of his.

There's a reason I believe her (won't go into it here or elsewhere to avoid just that - but: we have a personal connection).

There's also the fact that it doesn't exactly take a brain surgeon to work out the parallels in the post:

Fictionalised version, but think along the lines of ...

IRL, my name is Eleanor [it isn't], and I told X we weren't going to be in a position to offer A service for B price because it would have been a loss maker.

In the anonymous online post, "Ellie" is a conniving, cold-hearted psychopath who deliberately demands an over-the-top price for [basically A service] to humiliate the poor protagonist. He, consumed by righteous anger, waited for her to leave her office after dark and violently rapes, murders and dismembers her.

I can't prove any of it - even less so without exposing the person who tipped me off - but: there's just no way it's not him!

I technically agree with "get senior leadership on board and inform his employer" - but: how on earth does one write a "yeah, hi, client C-level, ... so ... our firm takes issue with your firm's employee posting violent fantasies about ours online, and we demand rectification" email?

This is just ... scary and bizarre!

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 18/09/2023 22:29

Ok, so as a woman who has been a senior manager and with client responsibilities this is what I would do. Contacts the head of HR at his firm, not yours. Explain that it looks to outsiders that their relatively junior employee is posting this crap about you, a business partner. You expect them to investigate and confirm to you that either it wasn’t him, or it was and they have reassigned him, preferably to the unemployment line.

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:28

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/09/2023 22:25

Sadly, I doubt the police will be interested. The creepy shit has not actually made any threats to the OP, or shared the post with her himself, to suggest an indirect threat.

We deal with scenarios like this a fair bit at my work (medical) and the police usually cannot help unless there is a direct threat.

do they record it?

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:27

i think also, regardless of whether he did or didnt make the fantasy, you need to report it to someone in work. The whole thing is weird, even if his colleague is wrong, to be sent that by staff of their company implying that it is about you. How could you continue to work with them.

OP, what advice are you seeking from us? on how to deal with this in work, or general safety advice?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/09/2023 22:25

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:21

Sorry to hear this. It's absolutely terrible. Fucking men.

I would definitely ask his colleague how she knows - if there is anything that makes it certain I would report it to the police. I would then inform his work you have reported it to the police.

Sadly, I doubt the police will be interested. The creepy shit has not actually made any threats to the OP, or shared the post with her himself, to suggest an indirect threat.

We deal with scenarios like this a fair bit at my work (medical) and the police usually cannot help unless there is a direct threat.

yousexybugger · 18/09/2023 22:24

Contact first your line management, suggesting a plan to contact his. Show them the 'story' pointing out similarities in his writing plus any real life events (dates and times) and stressing that whatever happens, you no longer wish to have contact with this man.

Depends on content but could it be of interest to the police? He's clearly identifiable, you are identifiable and it describes violent intent.

weirdoboelady · 18/09/2023 22:23

If your HR are professionally qualified, they have professional responsibilities. So even if the HR person is very junior to you, they will have resources to consult and standards to uphold. I would go to them and ask them to take professional advice about what both they and you should do.

BlessedKali · 18/09/2023 22:21

Sorry to hear this. It's absolutely terrible. Fucking men.

I would definitely ask his colleague how she knows - if there is anything that makes it certain I would report it to the police. I would then inform his work you have reported it to the police.

donquixotedelamancha · 18/09/2023 22:15

Malificent1 · 18/09/2023 22:05

Tell his managers. Send them a copy of what he wrote. And ask your managers for another client.

Since you are the account manager and he is replaceable, do this.

Speak to your line management first.

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