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Need to vent! It’s either a baby boy or a baby girl!

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HeadAgainstWall0923 · 18/09/2023 14:54

I’m doing some online training at the moment related to labour and birth and whenever it makes reference to the newborn they will say “A baby that is assigned male at birth or a baby that is assigned female at birth.”

For example, “an infant that is born and is assigned male at birth may have more vernex than a baby who is born and assigned female at birth.”

And this is in reference to babies that are less than 5 minutes old!

I’ve heard it and seen it written down about 20 times now and it’s driving me mad!

During the section on labour I kept having to hear phrases like:

When the infant is positioned correctly in the person’s womb….

When the infant is below the parent’s pelvic bone….

The parent’s contractions will intensify as their body prepares to deliver the infant…

When the infant exits the parent’s body….

When the infant is placed on the parent’s chest……

If the parent decides they want their infant to feed at the chest….

The words are MOTHER, WOMAN, SHE, HER and BREAST!

When it all stop?!

Weve been given a list of terms/acronyms that we have to use when writing in the infants notes etc and it actually says we need to refer to the infants as BAMAB or BAFAM for “baby assigned male at birth” or “baby assigned female at birth”.

One pupil asked what they should do if any of the parents objected to their infant being labeled/described with those acronyms and the lecturer actually said we need to continue using the terms and we must educate (her words) the parents as to why it’s important we/they use inclusive terms when talking about their infant.

I honestly couldn’t believe it.

So now we are supposed to tell parents that we won’t refer to their babies as being either male or female and that they shouldn’t be doing that either to ensure they aren’t being discriminatory?!

When will this madness stop?!

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Datun · 18/09/2023 15:13

It's utterly ridiculous.

You could ask whether or not it was okay with everyone if you just assigned sex alternately, without any other criteria.

A boy, followed by a girl, followed by a boy...etc.

And if you can't, why can't you?

What is the criteria they are using in order to assign boy or a girl?

Get them to tell you.

PurpleBugz · 18/09/2023 15:09

Sorry that was a bit ranty 😂

Can you tell I'm bitter? I can't have a career or great artistic talent but I'm a mother and that's all I can be so I react to the loss of my word

PurpleBugz · 18/09/2023 15:08

Just f**k off with that. You can't identify out of your sex. Just like many of us can't identify out of the gender roles forced on us. I don't have a fucking choice.

Women give birth. I am a mother who has lost everything to men. Can't work cuz men walked out on their disabled child. Caring and raising these kids is 'woman's work' never once has a single professional thought the man should sacrifice anything for these kids. They won't take the work involved in the roles but they will take the words mother and woman.

*I do not think 'gender' oppression should exist to identify out of

CorruptedCauldron · 18/09/2023 15:06

Can’t you just ignore it? Will you be disciplined for writing boy / girl / mother etc in the notes?

This is madness. Medical notes need to be really clear and precise. Waffly virtue-signalling flannel provides no benefit whatsoever - if anything, it’s a hindrance.

I despair.

greenspaces4peace · 18/09/2023 15:05

Totally captured.
you would think maternity care was the most obvious place in the world to experience womanhood/femaleness.
BTW not all delivering persons choose to parent…just to add to the idiocy of terms.
calling a person a parent is assuming a heck of a lot more than calling a girl a girl.

HeadAgainstWall0923 · 18/09/2023 15:00

LondonLass91 · 18/09/2023 14:56

Jesus Wept..is this NHS training?!?

It’s not put on by the NHS but the training is still for people who will be formally providing a service in England as well as other countries.

I’ve had to switch it off.

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JacquelinePot · 18/09/2023 15:00

Fucking hell. Not only is it insulting and disrespectful ideological bollocks, it's so IMPRECISE!

LondonLass91 · 18/09/2023 14:56

Jesus Wept..is this NHS training?!?