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6 Music plays song encouraging the the kicking of Terfs

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WandaWomblesaurus · 14/09/2023 23:28

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12519833/BBC-women-gender-6-Music-Roisin-Murphys-puberty-blockers.html

Fucking ridiculous.

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SamW98 · 15/09/2023 12:33

Soulful - seriously??

RealityFan · 15/09/2023 12:32

Dramatico · 15/09/2023 12:25

Replace 'Terfs' with ANY other minority group of people in that song and imagine the reaction.

Having said that, these girls have cottoned on to a pretty cunning playbook:

  1. Be a thoroughly mediocre punk band with limited musical skills
  2. Wear traditionally sexy female punk/goth clothing...
  3. BUT...be non-binary and insist you are not female
  4. Have your bassist grow a T-assisted tache
  5. ?????
  6. PROFIT

How very capitalist and enterprising of them. I'm off to stream Babes in Toyland.

Is there a 'tasche there? I really should be more observant in these, um, fluid times.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2023 12:32

Replace 'Terfs' with ANY other minority group of people in that song and imagine the reaction.

Always the case

Punch a terf Etc

Try that with another group

Dramatico · 15/09/2023 12:25

Replace 'Terfs' with ANY other minority group of people in that song and imagine the reaction.

Having said that, these girls have cottoned on to a pretty cunning playbook:

  1. Be a thoroughly mediocre punk band with limited musical skills
  2. Wear traditionally sexy female punk/goth clothing...
  3. BUT...be non-binary and insist you are not female
  4. Have your bassist grow a T-assisted tache
  5. ?????
  6. PROFIT

How very capitalist and enterprising of them. I'm off to stream Babes in Toyland.

MargotBamborough · 15/09/2023 12:20

PorcelinaV · 15/09/2023 00:20

So their gender isn't anyone else's business, but everyone needs to remember their pronouns. If they just kept it to themselves then no one would fucking care.

This.

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MargotBamborough · 15/09/2023 12:16

So much for the BBC being politically neutral.

risefromyourgrave · 15/09/2023 12:12

PorcelinaV · 15/09/2023 11:50

Quoting:

https://www.loudersound.com/features/meet-dream-nails-the-feminist-punk-witches-who-couldnt-give-a-sht-what-you-think

London-based four-piece Dream Nails are casting soulful punk hexes on the patriarchy. Don't like it? Frankly, they don't care...

There’s nothing subtle about self-proclaimed, London-based ‘punk witches’ Dream Nails. They come armed with a fierce feminist manifesto, soulful punk jams and a completely unapologetic ‘no fucks given’ attitude. They're coming to challenge your privilege and they don’t want your approval – in fact, they want you to change. Unified through feminist activism, since 2015, their ‘witch punk’ has been harnessing “the tenacious and divine power of a global sisterhood of women and non-binary people who are taking matters into their own hands.”

Jesus, they sound tedious.

RealityFan · 15/09/2023 12:07

"Witch punks"?
More like, which punks? Because their take is as far from punk tear the establishment down ethos as you can get.

CorruptedCauldron · 15/09/2023 12:02

Punk was about challenging the Establishment. This lot ARE the Establishment. Crapping on gender-critical women from a great height is safe, trendy, approved and applauded.

PorcelinaV · 15/09/2023 11:52

Global sisterhood? They are using a gendered term? Misgendering...

PorcelinaV · 15/09/2023 11:50

Quoting:

https://www.loudersound.com/features/meet-dream-nails-the-feminist-punk-witches-who-couldnt-give-a-sht-what-you-think

London-based four-piece Dream Nails are casting soulful punk hexes on the patriarchy. Don't like it? Frankly, they don't care...

There’s nothing subtle about self-proclaimed, London-based ‘punk witches’ Dream Nails. They come armed with a fierce feminist manifesto, soulful punk jams and a completely unapologetic ‘no fucks given’ attitude. They're coming to challenge your privilege and they don’t want your approval – in fact, they want you to change. Unified through feminist activism, since 2015, their ‘witch punk’ has been harnessing “the tenacious and divine power of a global sisterhood of women and non-binary people who are taking matters into their own hands.”

Meet Dream Nails, the feminist punk witches who couldn't give a sh*t what you think

London-based four-piece Dream Nails are casting soulful punk hexes on the patriarchy. Don't like it? Frankly, they don't care...

https://www.loudersound.com/features/meet-dream-nails-the-feminist-punk-witches-who-couldnt-give-a-sht-what-you-think

PorcelinaV · 15/09/2023 11:44

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 07:37

Ah, come on. This band are a parody act. This is off their fb:

'Growing up in an environment that failed to nuture my trans-national queerness was tough, but I’ve used that pressure to write Femme Boi, to validate all the things about me that I couldn’t express back then. I’m so grounded in my gender euphoria these days, that the song is a celebratory revenge for me. With time, my own gender-euphoric feelings will change. Indeed they already have, and the song is in some ways a love-letter to a past self, written from a romantic, self-loving place. It isn’t about ‘passing’, about striving to blend in - it’s the antithesis of that. - Ishmael'

Punk in general comes off to me as whiny teenage posturing.

The perfect genre to make a parody of the narcissism and self obsession of the "enby".

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 15/09/2023 10:28

WaterThyme · 15/09/2023 10:21

Thanks Arabella. I knew someone with this condition. She described it as not having a vagina and needing an operation to create one. Perhaps what she meant was that it was unusually short. Whether she had a cervix or womb I don’t know.

It was deeply traumatising for her and her family.

Claire Graham has written about this - sadly not recently. She was brilliant at explaining and educating people about this condition.
https://mrkhvoice.com/

@MRKHVoice

The Blog of Claire Graham

https://mrkhvoice.com

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 15/09/2023 10:25

Thanks, Arabella, in many ways it doesn't matter because I'm shocked they ever thought that acceptable. They could also have responded saying that the track was played a while ago and they will review it.

WaterThyme · 15/09/2023 10:21

Thanks Arabella. I knew someone with this condition. She described it as not having a vagina and needing an operation to create one. Perhaps what she meant was that it was unusually short. Whether she had a cervix or womb I don’t know.

It was deeply traumatising for her and her family.

newrubylane · 15/09/2023 10:17

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/09/2023 00:15

Woah-oh) They them, they them!
(Woah-oh) Not asking for a friend
(Woah-oh) They them, they them!
(Woah-oh) They them, they them!
(Woah-oh) Not asking for a friend

Call me a girl again
Kick terfs all day, don't break a sweat
Call me a girl again
Trans power is forever
Call me a girl again
My gender's not your business
Call me a girl again
Non-binary resistance!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

These lyrics are just dreadful. I mean, as well as being violent, they're also just a bit shit. I can't help feeling they'd be much improved by a bit of 'ambiguity and nuance'. I find such violent lyrics distasteful in general, but recognise that they seem to be considered generally acceptable after the watershed etc., so I'm not going to be calling for it to be banned (I'm not in favour of banning/cancelling in general). But in light of ditching the supremely talented Roisin Murphy so blatantly it just feels a bit crass to offer up this aggressive and mostly meaningless crap instead.

CorruptedCauldron · 15/09/2023 10:12

Proof, if any were needed, of a sacred caste.

Sing knuckle-bitingly awful lyrics about kicking terfs: Congratulations, you’ll get played on 6 Music.

Privately express concern that puberty blockers are damaging children’s health: Get in the bin - even if you’ve just released one of the best albums of the year.

Brings a whole new meaning to “them’s the breaks”…

ReeseWitherfork · 15/09/2023 10:12

”terfs” by definition DGAF about the band’s gender(s), surely? Isn’t that (much of) the point?

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 10:02

WaterThyme · 15/09/2023 09:38

Sadly, RealityFan, not all women do have vaginas. Those with Certain developmental disorders don’t (https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/~/media/website/patient-information-leaflets/childrens-services/disorders-of-sexual-development-and-adolescent-gynaecology/mrkh.pdf) .

1 in 5000. This condition is usually discovered when these girls reach puberty and don’t menstruate. The diagnosis is traumatic. They can be offered an operation to create an opening where their vagina should be which has to be kept dilated.

They are still adolescent females with a developmental disorder. This is not a sign of sex being a spectrum. The ovaries are present and function in the same way as any other woman’s by producing eggs and female hormones that keep her healthy.

MRKH:

https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/mayer-rokitansky-kuster-hauser-mrkh-syndrome

'This condition is characterized by an underdeveloped vagina and uterus. The uterus may be small or absent and the vagina is typically shortened''

https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/mayer-rokitansky-kuster-hauser-mrkh-syndrome

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 10:01

Ah, I don't know, Alice. I just looked for mentions of the band/song.

Eyesofdisarray · 15/09/2023 10:01

Sent a complaint to BBC

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 15/09/2023 10:00

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 07:42

It was on Steve Lamacq:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00112pd

Although that looks like an old episode. Was it played again recently?

Brewdug · 15/09/2023 10:00

To say 'people will interpret songs with any element of nuance or ambiguity differently' while refusing RM any similar 'nuance' in her views is the biggest load of bullshit I have heard from them yet.

It can't be a coincidence. And shame on Lamacq for playing it, and shame on all the big-name DJs on that channel for keeping their mouths shut about RM as well.

This is insane. 6Music used to be for old farts requesting deep cuts from The Fall. Shaun Keaveny left because he couldn't be political on there. They'd (rightly) fade out any violent lyrics in drive time gangster rap.
So why is this trend so untouchable there?

lanadelgrey · 15/09/2023 09:49

Eh? Vaginas present but possibly shortened - it’s the uterus that is absent. Is this song a plea for better understanding of DSDs? I suspect not