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Sunak to drop legal plans to bar transitioning in schools?

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D1nopawus · 06/09/2023 22:01

FFS. Just as I start to think the grown ups are back in the room.

Rishi Sunak set to drop legal plans to bar transitioning in schools

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/31645f02-4ce5-11ee-98c9-759fff07db04?shareToken=c9611eafea6f3f775129767e94bdbb46

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JanesLittleGirl · 06/09/2023 22:30

The article is completely evidence free. I think that this is the Times attempting to push Mr Sunak towards supporting a clear single sex arrangement in schools.

Gillian Keegan said this a few weeks ago.
Rishi Sunak is saying it now.
The Tory party are not going to do anything about the trans shitshow in our schools.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/09/2023 00:14

Of course he has. Is anyone actually surprised?🙄

RealityFan · 07/09/2023 00:10

Sunak is planning a massive final push reshuffle after the conference season to foreshadow the GE in 2024.

We'll know if this article is right, if Keegan stays in place at Education.

Right now, I think it's one of the major conceptual schisms in the Tory party. Whether Badenoch can push her POV, or whether Keegan prevails.

Indeed I think this will presage the battle to lead the party after they're routed next year.

If it's true that the 2010 Equality Act prevents any prohibition of gender identity change by pupils, then there can't be any limit on age. 17, 15, 13, 10, 5, 18 months in nursery...gender change is permitted by law.

Datun · 06/09/2023 23:59

Didn't the Cass report conclude that social transition was the single biggest indicator of subsequent medical transition?

If not the Cass report, it was some other report.

Given that children are targeted and taught how to alienate their parents if they disagree with social transition, leaving it up to parents seems incredibly foolhardy.

And likening it to section 28 is straight out of the TRA Load of Old Bollocks Playbook.

I wish the government would provides some bloody clarity as to what they think transitioning actually is. It's nothing to do with sexual orientation. Is it a medical condition? A metal health issue?

How can parents, at the behest of their children, direct schools to accommodate a medical issue, that is not diagnosed? And where is the evidence that accommodating it in this way is beneficial?

And What difference does it make if it's in the equality act?

Can people self identify as disabled, just because it's in the equality act?

It's a mess. Switching from a civil rights issue to a medical one, to a mental health one, and back again, at breakneck speed.

IwantToRetire · 06/09/2023 23:35

Interesting as Sex Matters say they too have taken legal advice and say under the EA exactly the opposite. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4889341-schools-are-in-danger-of-breaking-the-law-on-sex-and-gender-sex-matters

But agree this is kite flying or rather testing the waters as it says pretty much what a similar article said about a month ago. Attorney General blah, blah, blah. Kemi Badenoch dont be such wimps.

Schools are in danger of breaking the law on sex and gender - Sex Matters | Mumsnet

^The Department for Education’s new guidance for schools needs to be produced soon, and it needs to be aligned with the law. Today we publish the UK’s...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4889341-schools-are-in-danger-of-breaking-the-law-on-sex-and-gender-sex-matters

EasternStandard · 06/09/2023 23:24

JanesLittleGirl · 06/09/2023 22:30

The article is completely evidence free. I think that this is the Times attempting to push Mr Sunak towards supporting a clear single sex arrangement in schools.

I hope you’re right

And also this could be the case

Could be because the legal challenges are taking too long and he wants to get guidance into schools asap. I'm sure this can be revisited but for now teaching staff really need to know where they stand.

The thought of Labour coming in, if they win, without any legal changes first is utterly depressing

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 23:11

It mentions Kemi Badenoch so many times and in such depth that you can assume the government source is pretty close!

It's shortly conference season, Sunak is weak and it's all to play for in the "who gets to be leader after we lose" game.

D1nopawus · 06/09/2023 23:08

JanesLittleGirl · 06/09/2023 22:30

The article is completely evidence free. I think that this is the Times attempting to push Mr Sunak towards supporting a clear single sex arrangement in schools.

God I hope so. It's interesting that they suggest it's keegan in one corner and Badenoch in the other. I don't think The Tomes have a lot of time for GK.

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Toseland · 06/09/2023 22:55

I've been shouting at him today too - he should remove Gillian Keegan ASAP.

ANameChangePresents · 06/09/2023 22:47

Complete fucking madness. If this is the best a CONSERVATIVE government can achieve to row us back to sanity, then we are lost.

JemOfAWoman · 06/09/2023 22:35

I read on 'X' that lots of teenagers are now treating it all as a joke. They are fed up of others getting preferential treatment because they feel special. It's become a piss take 'don't do that you non binary' etc!

A sure way to get teenagers to stop doing something is for adults to make it fashionable.

We can only hope 🤞🤞🤞

JanesLittleGirl · 06/09/2023 22:30

The article is completely evidence free. I think that this is the Times attempting to push Mr Sunak towards supporting a clear single sex arrangement in schools.

WallaceinAnderland · 06/09/2023 22:25

Could be because the legal challenges are taking too long and he wants to get guidance into schools asap. I'm sure this can be revisited but for now teaching staff really need to know where they stand.

Anxioys · 06/09/2023 22:08

This man has run out of time. He won't be making any changes to the Equality Act either, imo.

TeenEyeroll · 06/09/2023 22:07

Ffs F Off Sunak.

Boomboom22 · 06/09/2023 22:06

Maybe we need a new petition on amending the ea to either adults only or not at all and just sex.

Boomboom22 · 06/09/2023 22:05

Ffs it never ends. This is terrible news. The EA gender reassignment needs looking at then!

SidewaysOtter · 06/09/2023 22:05

Very disappointing. Come on Sunak, we expected better.