Fully Lab Made Embryo - Thoughts....?

Thank you.

It's not news per se really in terms of cell lines but difficult to explain and I haven't worked in the area since the nineties so I'd struggle to explain it, we need a current molecular biologist or microbiologist really to explain it but what I think is new is that most established Cell lines were derived from tumour cells so immortal already, this is possibly the first cell line derived from embryonic stem cells. But cell line models derived from human cells aren't in any way new and are used for all sorts of important and medical research and have been for decades. It's not actually as Frankenstinian as it sounds. I suspect the news have confused embryonic cells with embryonic stem cells maybe which might have just come from bone marrow. Although it does seem to imply it was differentiated into different types of embryonic tissue.

It's womb transplants into men we need to be worried about imo and vehemently oppose, not this.

Sounds good to me. Bring it on!

Same. Smacks of Frankenstein. Horrific

I thought immortalised cell lines were different from stem cells.

Out of interest, if this isn’t really ‘news’ per se, and these cell lines aren’t actual embryos, capable of growing into a foetus, what’s your take on this being presented in this way?

Yes I read this some time ago. It's terrible that they didn't seek permission from her family or tell any of them at the time (sixties if I remember?)! I used to think about her every time I used the HeLa cell line on my degree course and first job afterwards. There are many, many immortal cell lines now, this is another one. Lets hope the.people that establish them get proper consent now. As students in the late nineties they used to make us try and establish cell lines from tumours that had been removed from women in theatre (cancer research). We were never shown any consent forms, I can only hope the hospital had them (attached research lab).

Ultimately though, they are all cell line models, not actual organs or embryo's thatbcoudl be transplanted into a human, let's hope medical ethics keeps pace with it all and never lets actual human cloning happen.

My thoughts are zero because I don’t think we’ll be around in any shape in the future. So if they want to try and hatch us like chicks then crack (🥴) on.

Yes, there are lots of other applications beyond fertility. Early detection of genetic diseases and study of development of the same, for example.

I am not going to dignify the crashingly paranoid idea that this is going to lead to child farms on boats in the ocean with a response.

And you really can't spot some obvious applications beyond that scope?

The application is to examine causes of early miscarriage and other fertility issues. Its in the news article.

I recommend the book The Immortal Life of Henriett Lacks which looks at the origin of HeLa cells, Henrietta's life, and the medical ethics involved.

While some twit is going 'look what CAN be done' anyone with a brain has to be demanding 'and what's the application of this? Let's examine the bleeding obvious shall we?'

@Flickersy there is lots of research going into finding ways of creating human beings without the inconvenience of needing the cooperation of women or the barrier of protective mothers to access/possess children.

Yes, there are medical ethics in some countries, but of course there won’t be in all. I am fully expecting that there will at some point be a lab on the ocean - like L. Ron Hubbard’s (the founder of Scientology) ocean liner where his child-abusive cult resided outside the laws of any nation, where this research will be pursued without interference.

The male sex drive was apparently the engine which led to faster and faster computer speeds through sharing pornography. So much child abuse is filmed and shared, google any male name + ‘child abuse images’ and you are likely to get a hit of a bloke caught with thousands. The ‘dark web’ is were most of it goes on now.

The people pushing for the research into creating the motherless/parentless child are people like Pritzker, a man with ‘niche’, but obsessive sexual interests.

We are getting all these “Yay! A woman got her womb cut out and sewn into another woman! Woohoo!” kinds of articles, some mumsnetters themselves are looking forward to the development of medically manufactured parentless children in the name of LGBTQI++ ‘reproductive rights’. Do you think that the millions of nonces and their greedy exploiters in the world aren’t pushing for this future?

I felt sick when I heard about this but was partially reassured when listening to R4 PM, they had quite a lengthy discussion about it. The Dr said it could be used to test medication for pregnant women, something which has been very rarely done since Thalidomide and is urgently needed.
However it does worry me. I’m sure there will be countries who don’t stick to the 14 day laws.

Please tell me this is satire. No-one sane could possibly think this seriously.

Just read up on this and yeah this is being sensationalised. This is just a cell line, line the classic HeLa cell line made from someone's ovarian cancer tumour decades ago. It's cell line, an experimental model to study how embryos divide etc. It's weird but not really different from any embryonic stem cells. They couldn't be implanted and develop into foetuses i don't think, or wouldn't be legally allowed to be kept long enough (mind you I remember forgetting about a few cell cultures at the back of the hoods in my student lab days ... Gulp)

That was my exact first thought. Aldous Huxley and George Orwell both knew what was coming...

Exactly, these cells are clones of an existing cells whose DNA originally came from a sperm and an egg right? The DNA chromosomes have to come from somewhere.

They haven't entirely synthesise the entire human genome have they? So just a cell line derived from some poor person tumour or something which are embryonic stem cells?

It’s obviously part of a wider agenda. The DNA would still have come from somewhere.

I imagine it won’t be long before child sex abusers will be able to farm their own regular crops of ‘motherless’ children to abuse and discard.

Do not like.

its just another form of cloning, which has been possible for decades. Nothing new

No. It's too f***g creepy.

I find the concept so repellent that I cant bring myself to read any detail.

what always concerns me is the stuff going on in labs with human embryos that isn't getting reported on, isn't ethical, isn't being monitored. You can bet there are scientists out there doing things they shouldn't be doing with human embryos.

and to be honest this is way too much into Brave New World territory:

A SQUAT grey building of only thirty-four stories. Over the main entrance the words, CENTRAL LONDON HATCHERY AND CONDITIONING CENTRE, and, in a shield, the World State's motto, COMMUNITY, IDENTITY, STABILITY.

The enormous room on the ground floor faced towards the north. Cold for all the summer beyond the panes, for all the tropical heat of the room itself, a harsh thin light glared through the windows, hungrily seeking some draped lay figure, some pallid shape of academic goose-flesh, but finding only the glass and nickel and bleakly shining porcelain of a laboratory. Wintriness responded to wintriness. The overalls of the workers were white, their hands gloved with a pale corpse-coloured rubber. The light was frozen, dead, a ghost. Only from the yellow barrels of the microscopes did it borrow a certain rich and living substance, lying along the polished tubes like butter, streak after luscious streak in long recession down the work tables."

And this," said the Director opening the door, "is the Fertilizing Room."