Suella Braverman statement about police behaviour and TRA police officer response

Not to mention that to escalate a process, and get to more serious intervention, you have to demonstrate that all previous levels of intervention have been tried and have failed.

Yes it's slower than molasses and this should have been done years ago, but this is a step forward.

The police will not be able to ignore her. Each force will risk being put into special measures, which they won't want.

The problem the police will have is a resources issue.

I have no problem dealing with any theft no matter how low value it is. The problem is, they need to give me time to do it. If the suspect denies the offence, then they will have to give me the time to put the case file together. So this will involve getting the statements from the 6 shop staff who witnessed it and finding a time when they are working and I am not being diverted to another job; each statement can take 1-2 hours to do. They are going to have to give me time to review all the CCTV and redact it (which takes ages). Then put the case file together.

Its gets to the point where you have to balance allowing me to sit and start redacting the CCTV for a theft of a sandwich valued at £2.50 - or send me to the next vulnerable missing child.

The Police Service ignore Suella Braverman, just as the NHS ignore Steve Barclay. No matter how many times these ministers write to them, they just do whatever they like. The Police will still record non hate crimes against women daring to question the harm of gender ideology, and the NHS will still call us chest feeders and cervix havers.

Nobody gives a fuck.

AFAIK they don't go into the hospital. They stand outside. I think they used to do the Sandyford, too, which covers all sexual health.

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During Covid you’d to prove you’d a reason to be there, but they’d sometimes accept “I’m seeing x Team about Y but I’ve not got my letter/didn’t get a letter to show you”. Normally though anyone can wander in: the assumption is that people wouldn’t want to without good reason. Hospitals are also full of maps; directories; & even helpful volunteers who’d absolutely direct someone to the gynae ward unless a directive had been given from above that presence of/threats from protestors meant they were not to do so. Might be considered preferable to keep them in the one place with security presence though, rather than drifting about & possibly trying to access NICU or theatres or somewhere else they’d be more of a potential danger.

Anyone can google search and find where a ward is. And they stand outside, in the street.

I don't know the new QE hospital in Glasgow, but they have been picketing/praying for some years now, according to news reports.

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but how do they know where the gynae wards are?

Am I being naive to assume that people can't just go wandering into hospitals without having an actual reason to be there, i.e. they are a patient, or visiting a patient, or they work in the hospital?

I would imagine most hospitals are big enough that gynae wards could be placed somewhere quite far from any kind of street access.

and yes, they protest just outside hospitals gynae wards. One of the issues raised in discussion of the buffer zones was that women having a miscarriage were having to run the gauntlet of people with signs with graphic imagery on them. Upsetting for any woman but especially callous for those women.

These are US groups organising the protests/prayer vigils, whatever.

https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/proposals-for-bills/proposed-abortion-services-safe-access-zones-scotland-bill

I think that's what they do in Glasgow, in fact. I seem to remember people standing outside one of the hospitals 'praying' and holding placards. It's not A&E, but the gynae ward.

Haven't checked on the progress of teh exclusion zones recently, in fact, the SNP were dragging their heels on that while they rushed through the far more important GRR bill ...

I'm not sure I follow.

Other than Twitter users with an interest in gender issues (on either side of the debate), who do you think this headline is going to grab?

Just headline grabbing by Braverman.

I don't really understand why we actually have abortion clinics tbh. If all abortions were performed in hospitals these people would have nowhere to protest. What are you going to do, stand with placards outside A&E?

Ah, that makes sense

cor it really tests your principles when you have to apply them to people you vehemently disagree with doesn’t it?

Will silent prayer be to do with people praying outside abortion clinics?

Halleluia.

Except this needs a very firm hand, or will be made to take years and be constantly edited and supervised and controlled by the lobby who created the issue in the first place.

And it isn't just a review that's needed, it's a full blown bloody inquiry, with the civil service, education, LAs and the NHS in scope as well as the police.

One officer, shouting a lot of twonk on Twitter and getting into the media however, is going to cast grubby public perception on the other 144,999. Which is one of Braverman's points. One twit can cause a hell of a lot of damage, and the public are going to rightfully wonder wtf happens at the police if that person is a part of it and using their job to further their interesting agenda and views, and the police let them crack on like this instead of loudly and publicly rejecting it.

It's somewhat like the 'nice TW friend nothing to do with the raving lunatics' argument: the fact is that the raving lunatics are the ones with the media and political control, and cannot be nicely ignored and allowed to get on with their machinations for fear of upsetting a quiet, normal mate. In fact you'd think the quiet, normal mate would be part of a group saying ffs, no, not in our name, this is not a trans thing, this is a misogynistic extremist thing. But never happens.

And sadly in fact, no, it's not just one. That twit on Twitter has not been the one and only copper on duty at every incident where cops have stood by and watched women being battered, or lifted a woman for daring to state factual heresy against the Faith. Or worked at CPS trying to work out how to make a prosecution stick, or ordered the painting of the cars and the flags and the dancing at Pride. This goes right to the very top. The police have been effectively politically captured and the government have a huge, fucking mess to sort out. And I have no sympathy because we were writing to them and shouting about this from almost a decade ago. They've let this happen.

Labour et al would have let it happen a lot faster and helped it on its way with enthusiasm.

That ONE officer out of 145,000!

Most officers I know will welcome telling the woke fraternity to piss off and welcome getting back to policing instead of refereeing ridiculous bloody arguments

i shall read the report next march with interest

from the letter

it is worth remembering that silent prayer, in itself, is not unlawful

my mind is boggling at what prompted that reminder

Wow.. great stuff SB!

She's definitely got my vote!!

Presumably the first sentence is the ambition, and the second lays out the means to achieve said ambition?

Lol.

One of the comments is sort of funny:

'We’re not a totalitarian state yet. If police officers want to dance at pride marches or take the knee to support action against racism they should do so without your interference.'

Presumably the first sentence is the ambition, and the second lays out the means to achieve said ambition?

Excellent letter from Braverman. And good to hear there will be a review.

I am actually, genuinely shocked. How the fuck could this person get away with that?