Lesbian speed dating event update

Just stop sexually harassing us and we'll call it good...

Yes, me too. It's male in that men are not expected to give way and be kind and accepting in the same way as women.

Only a certain kind of male however.

I know and love many males. Yet none of them are gits. This seems to be the difference.

Still musing on this whole 'ha ha, you can't have boundaries cos we'll smash them anyway' thing.

It's extremely male. And they know it.

It's interesting how some transwoman are insistent that they 100% pass, but they don't pass, even over faceless communication such as forums or Twitter.

The homophobia and misogyny here, to claim that lesbians are indistinguishable from men.
It's not true but you're vile to perpetuate this disgusting stereotype.

Which person on here has been "put to the test" or is this yet another tedious lie?

Urban myth, used to try and leverage women into giving up single sex spaces.

Again on the grounds that male people just cannot be expected to care about or respect that women need inclusion and access too.

Why do you think some male people seem to have this serious social problem with respecting other people's needs and inclusion?

Can you bring all that evidence to back your claims?

come on, I’d love to see these tests’. Which tests? I haven’t seen any research so I am super keen to see this.

Or you are expressing wishful thinking.

Back in the 80's we never had any problem telling a butch lesbian wasn't a man. I think it is your delusion to believe this is now an issue whose solution is to let in any male who claims to be a woman.
All women are welcome in women's single sex spaces including butch lesbians, women with short hair or any GNC female. As it has always been. This has nothing to do with feminine presentation. Quite the opposite.
Just no males.

And yet every time someone puts you to the test you end up confidently declaring cis women to be trans... I wonder who benefits from a bunch of people going around accusing random butch lesbians of being men? Probably not women... 🤔

Ha ha. Are you by any chance deliberately confusing, 'might, in a small minority of cases, not immediately be able to tell from a single photo' with 'struggle so badly to tell, even having spent time in the presence of someone including hearing them speak etc that it's not even worth bothering to try'? That'd be a cough novel line of TRA argument.

Lol.Yeah we do.

In so many cases it’s the ‘front of house’ making these decisions while those who actually run the organisation have no idea what’s going on until they are informed.

ancuruadh, any male person will be aware they are male (as in born cock-and-balled) and therefore of no interest to the exclusively female-attracted women at the event.

What, apart from being really fucking annoying, would be their motive in going to it?

Such great news for lesbians.

In my experience the only lesbians who advocate for male inclusive lesbian dating events have been happily married to their female partner for years and don't see (or pretend not to see) what the problem is.

Still musing on this whole 'ha ha, you can't have boundaries cos we'll smash them anyway' thing.

Which kind of demonstrates the need for steel boundaries and consequences by women, doesn't it? The TQ+ community may need to learn the MN phrase 'this is why we can't have nice things'.

It seems a very transphobic and negative generalisation to me to imply that male people with TQ+ identities would try to deceive their way into a group that has a clear purpose. Particularly when there are plenty of other groups available to them.

Are they saying that being trans involves breaking boundaries, deceiving others and failing to respect other people? I think many trans people would find that highly insulting. As it is not a trans thing, it's a boundary breaking, woman-despising, bloody awful behaviour thing.

Yes love. Might be really polite about it, but yes, we know.

“No you don't.”

Male cues may be perceived with greater accuracy by female people. Even in males who have taken puberty blockers. And in the way male people interact is also all to often discernible.

Do you believe that some male people 100% pass as female people? Or have you been led to believe that because women have either not outwardly shown a reaction to a male who believes they are a woman, or women have shown overt signs of acceptance or actually lied to that male person about whether that male person ‘passes’?

Lol. No you don't.

Presumably a person could buy a wheelchair and attend a wheelchair users event or use the disabled space in a theatre without being challenged, or someone without cancer could pop along to a cancer support group without an extensive background check. The question is what sort of a psychopath would want to take resources time and energy from another group in this manner.

I have no idea why a genuine TW would want to ruin an enjoyable that they have no place being anywhere near.

Because in material reality there is no such thing as a man who is really a woman. It only exists linguistically and if you can persuade everyone using either carrot or stick to say they agree with you.

When enough people start saying no the whole fantasy falls apart, and when it falls apart it falls apart for everyone who IDs as a woman. This is regardless of whether they are a pleasant, law abiding person or they are SJ Barker.

So it's essential to activists and anyone else who committed to it for whatever reason, they be ruthless in pushing for inclusion everywhere with no boundaries. No matter what cost and no matter how harmful it is for others.

If they don't take this hard line, or they try to but fail, as we are seeing with prisons, sports and now lesbian dating, it's the beginning of the end and they know this. They've always known it.

I imagine men who ID as women or something outside of the man 'box' will continue on but this period of forcing everyone to pretend they are women and are female was never going to be sustainable because its pure fantasy.

Should I ask MNHQ to delete post with info about next meeting.

Although it is on her twitter thread.

Just hope it goes well, and many lesbians who have been put off by trans inclusion at "lesbian" events will turn up!

I have no idea why a genuine TW would want to ruin an enjoyable that they have no place being anywhere near.

Sadly as much as we are so pleased that Jenny has won this battle, I foresee the TRA squad won’t take this lying down and will go all out to cause drama and disruption.

Thats what sone of the comments ask on the Twitter post. She’s still getting abuse from the usual suspects.