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Alice Cooper has been cancelled

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/09/2023 05:50

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/alice-cooper-cancelled-by-cosmetics-firm-after-opposing-trans-surgeries-for-kids/news-story/14d6d77ad55d29508169d5ae7e47a0b5?amp

Alice Cooper has said what loads of people think but are too scared to say, and the cosmetics firm who produce his make up products have dropped him.
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Hopefully he won't back down on this one.

Rock legend Alice Cooper dropped after trans comments

Alice Cooper, the eyeliner wearing “Godfather of Shock Rock,” was dumped by a cosmetics company after the singer questioned the rush to perform trans surgeries on kids and said that transitioning genders was a “fad.”

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/alice-cooper-cancelled-by-cosmetics-firm-after-opposing-trans-surgeries-for-kids/news-story/14d6d77ad55d29508169d5ae7e47a0b5?amp=

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Helleofabore · 01/09/2023 10:42

The difference is that for a woman not to be cancelled, she has to have billions. For a man not to be cancelled, he has to have millions and maybe seen as currently high social value or a value that is based where a group trying to cancel them just build their social value higher.

Women rarely have that kind of social power where a group cancelling them builds their social power.

Men still get cancelled though, look at Glinner. However, men seem to say something and then they may not say anything more about it. They will not take it up as a fight. Whereas Glinner turned and fought. As has Joanne Rowling.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 10:32

Archive link for the Vampyre Cosmetics page as it was on August 25th.

https://archive.ph/OzC9K

(not a paywall workaround, MNHQ, don’t worry!)

fromorbit · 01/09/2023 10:31

Alice Cooper comments on medicalising children were publicised on August 23rd in Rolling Stone from comments made in a public interview.

August 25th he dropped a new album went straight to No 1 in indie charts.

He has still been on tour in the Freaks on Parade tour with Rob Zombie, Ministry and Filter over the last 8 days still big crowds. Film footage from concert on August 27th in Florida. Lots of people there.

Vampyr Cosmetics cancelled their deal with Alice a few days ago since then they got so much back lash they closed their social media. They were more "cancelled" than Alice was. There has been lots of talk/media over that, but it is meaningless when he is still filling concert venues, selling albums.

He hasn't commentated further, but hasn't retracted a word.

Alice proves what Gervais and Chapelle did, men can say whatever they want about gender stuff. They may get push back... Chapelle had the most, but if you push through it will not impact your popularity at all and moreover the gender mob will give up after a while. Because men can have opinions.

Compare what happened with Rosin. Her own label has turned on her over stuff she said in private basically very similar to what Alice said but way more casually. She had to give out a weird semi apology. Everyone is still swarming her.

It is frustrating, but the double standard will undermine them in the end. Because as JKR and many others proved if they utterly fail in cancelling a woman they melt down and get more and more obsessed. So they create bigger platforms for women who will speak out like Maya, Riley Gaines, Martina etc.

Rob Zombie and Alice Cooper “Freaks on Parade” Tour Live in West Palm Beach, Florida (08/27/2023)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMiyuSiDZc

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 10:27

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 10:14

There's no other sign of any products relating to him on the website, so all this fuss over something that never got off the ground! Doubt Alice will lose any sleep over this. Seems to have been inflated out of all proportion by that press article!

I saved it last week, still have screen shots on my phone (I put the Alice Cooper page on the Vampyre Cosmetics website into an internet archive too).

1 Screenshot of the Vampyre Cosmetics site last week

2 SS News article pre cancelling

3 SS News article post cancelling

4 SS of Xwitter showing that Vampyre Cosmetics deleted their entire account shortly after announcing the Ditching of Alice.

5 SS of sample of Xwitter comments

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Wanderingowl · 01/09/2023 10:21

I don't think Vampyr Cosmetics got the reaction they wanted as they have removed themselves from Twitter following the reaction to their statement.

https://twitter.com/VampyrCosmetics

https://twitter.com/VampyrCosmetics

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 10:19

DifficultBloodyWoman · 01/09/2023 10:01

Thanks, I’m going to listen to that. Probably not as an insomnia cure though. 😜

Ha!

The track list is often more chilled than you might imagine - Alice is a pensioner after all 😂

He’s a funny chap. I’ve not listened since Alice’s gender-hoo-ha started last week but I’m going to have a catch up and see if he’s mentioned it on air.

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 10:14

There's no other sign of any products relating to him on the website, so all this fuss over something that never got off the ground! Doubt Alice will lose any sleep over this. Seems to have been inflated out of all proportion by that press article!

Zodfa · 01/09/2023 10:14

Saw some posts on Twitter implying he's basically just a stupid old man who doesn't understand and is reduced to repeating Fox News talking points ...

When you're so removed from critical thought you think critical thought is stupidity.

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 10:12

Looks like the collaboration hadn't even properly got going, and they are trying to make out they are more important than they really are:

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BaronessBomburst · 01/09/2023 10:09

How did I not know about an Alice Cooper/ Chris Cornell collab? 😲
And Alice won't give a monkey's uncle. If anything he'll shout louder.

HateLongCovid · 01/09/2023 10:07

risefromyourgrave · 01/09/2023 09:34

Well they’re terrible allies anyway, not only is Alice Cooper a ‘cishet white man” (boo, hiss), he also works with Johnny Depp. So supporting alleged women beaters is fine, but don’t you say mean things about kids being sterilised before they’re too young to know what that actually entails!

Jonny Depp was found "Not guilty" wasn't he? Confused

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 10:05

It looks like he had only been in partnership with the company for 2weeks, unless I am reading this wrong:

Alice Cooper has been cancelled
CurlewKate · 01/09/2023 10:05

@Stripeypyjamas
"Missing the point but "Holy crap" is surely offensive to many Christians?"

Oh, give over!

willWillSmithsmith · 01/09/2023 10:04

Beowulfa · 01/09/2023 10:00

He hasn't been cancelled. One of the world's many make-up suppliers has issued a pompous virtue signalling statement and lost some business.

Was going to say the same thing. Wish this stupid word ‘cancelled’ wasn’t churned out at every opportunity to undermine someone. He’s not cancelled, he’s still up and about and breathing and living his life and rich enough to go about his day exactly as he wants.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 01/09/2023 10:01

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 09:48

I quite like Alice Cooper’s radio programme. He’s often my late night
meno-insomnia chum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_with_Alice_Cooper

In the UK it’s broadcast via Planet Rock Radio:
https://planetradio.co.uk/planet-rock/shows/nights-with-alice-cooper/

Thanks, I’m going to listen to that. Probably not as an insomnia cure though. 😜

Beowulfa · 01/09/2023 10:00

He hasn't been cancelled. One of the world's many make-up suppliers has issued a pompous virtue signalling statement and lost some business.

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 09:59

And: thank you Alice for speaking up!

Pudmyboy · 01/09/2023 09:57

My understanding of Alice's fanbase is that they are extremely loyal so he has no concerns there, and my wish is that they let the makeup company know what they think.....
Yep lots of other manufacturers of makeup he can pick and he could probably start his own if he so desired!
Plus I note he is toning his look down as he gets older so probably wasn't using much of their stuff anyway!

Cosmosforbreakfast · 01/09/2023 09:55

Alice won't back down, he's made of sterner stuff. Do they think he can't get special effect make up anywhere else in the world? Another jump on the cancel bandwagon mob who couldn't give a shit about the children at risk from trans ideology.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/09/2023 09:51

I remember singing along to School's Out as a teenager in the car. I'm now 69. I don't think someone like Alice who's been around THAT long will worry about the opinions of people who sell eyeliner.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 09:48

I quite like Alice Cooper’s radio programme. He’s often my late night
meno-insomnia chum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_with_Alice_Cooper

In the UK it’s broadcast via Planet Rock Radio:
https://planetradio.co.uk/planet-rock/shows/nights-with-alice-cooper/

Nights with Alice Cooper - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_with_Alice_Cooper

ApocalipstickNow · 01/09/2023 09:42

HirplesWithHaggis · 01/09/2023 09:34

Isn't he worth about £50 million? I suspect the cosmetics company did better out of being "supplier to Alice Cooper" than the other way round. Cutting off noses and all that.

Yeah he’s rich as Croesus and his core fan base won’t leave him (probably “not cool” enough) so it won’t make much difference to him long term.

The make up company will have some serious grovelling to do though, this may not go quite the way they expected unless they make some serious amends.

cheezncrackers · 01/09/2023 09:38

Well said Alice Cooper! The more high profile people call out child abuse for what it is, the better, but I really hope he doesn't back down.

Helen Joyce said this week that it's great when people speak out or write a tweet or whatever in opposition to all the trans bullshit, but unless they're prepared for the onslaught and are prepared to hold their ground, she'd rather they didn't do it. Because every time someone speaks out, then issues a grovelling apology 'for causing offence', it just emboldens the trans lobby to bully and intimidate those bold enough to speak out even more.

DiabolicalFinial · 01/09/2023 09:36

“Only women bleed” - Alice knows reality!

HirplesWithHaggis · 01/09/2023 09:34

Isn't he worth about £50 million? I suspect the cosmetics company did better out of being "supplier to Alice Cooper" than the other way round. Cutting off noses and all that.

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