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Alice Cooper has been cancelled

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/09/2023 05:50

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/alice-cooper-cancelled-by-cosmetics-firm-after-opposing-trans-surgeries-for-kids/news-story/14d6d77ad55d29508169d5ae7e47a0b5?amp

Alice Cooper has said what loads of people think but are too scared to say, and the cosmetics firm who produce his make up products have dropped him.
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Hopefully he won't back down on this one.

Rock legend Alice Cooper dropped after trans comments

Alice Cooper, the eyeliner wearing “Godfather of Shock Rock,” was dumped by a cosmetics company after the singer questioned the rush to perform trans surgeries on kids and said that transitioning genders was a “fad.”

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/alice-cooper-cancelled-by-cosmetics-firm-after-opposing-trans-surgeries-for-kids/news-story/14d6d77ad55d29508169d5ae7e47a0b5?amp=

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Teenagelament · 01/09/2023 12:53

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:54

Oh I know he wrote it but I've ne er tried to find his version because Julie Covington is so perfect

Ooh, I must check out her version!

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2023 12:32

MenopauseSucks · 01/09/2023 11:41

I saw Alice Cooper a few years ago.
His fans are so loyal, he could've walked on stage, farted into the mic & they still would've gone mad with delight!
Both sexes wearing a lot of makeup.

I doubt this will bother him & he's saying things his fans agree with.
Only Women Bleed was about a woman suffering domestic violence. The lyrics are worth a read.

Lyrics for the sing along

Only women bleed

Man got his woman
To take his seed
He got the power, oh
She got the need
She spends her life through
Pleasing up her man
She feeds him dinner, oh
Anything she can
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes, and drinks, and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Man makes your hair gray
He's your life's mistake
All you're really lookin' for's
An even break
He lies right at you
You know you hate this game
Slaps you once in a while
And you live and love in pain
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all, ooh
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Black eyes
All of the time
Don't spend a dime
Clean up this grime
And you there
Down on your knees
Begging to please
Come watch me bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pIrI0MPBUic

Alice Cooper - Only Women Bleed (1975) (Official Video)

#alicecooper #onlywomenbleed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pIrI0MPBUic

Pixiedust1234 · 01/09/2023 12:30

This collection will exude Alice’s style and feature guitar and amp shaped makeup palettes, microphone styled lipsticks and a major highlight for Alice Cooper and makeup fans to look forward to is a new version of Alice Cooper's iconic Whiplash mascara.

So...apart from one item the rest is just "new and improved" packaging? Basically con artists rather than make up artists?

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 01/09/2023 12:24

I share a name with this old rocker.
This was a very alarming thread title to read! But the old fella is taking sense. Proud to have been cancelled!

CervixSampler · 01/09/2023 12:15

Alice blasting out of the Alexa reliving my teenage years 🖤

Greenwitchhorse · 01/09/2023 12:07

I think what he said is extremely sensible.

Frankly most people probably think the same: that kids are not mentally, and emotionally able to make the irreversible decision of suddenly wanting to change gender.

I think that is just common sense. Most of us remember how clueless we were as teenagers about so many things and much we change in our views/opinions when we grow up a bit.

I have nothing against people who choose to transition and fully support that but that really is a life-altering decision that should be made when the individual has had enough time to mature into an adult.

I really think we need to stop pandering to the ''cancelling'' of people who simply are voicing very valid opinions and only have the welfare of children at heart.

Quite amusing as well that I am a vegan, queer, rock music-loving woman so the type of people that the make-up company is claiming to represent and I have zero issues with Alice sharing these views on this...

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 12:07

FlouncingBabooshka · 01/09/2023 11:55

Sorry @Brefugee -cross post!

No probs.
I remember the album cover for me School's Out. Must hunt mine out.

Kindofcrunchy · 01/09/2023 12:01

This has inspired me to buy his entire back catalogue.

FlouncingBabooshka · 01/09/2023 11:55

Sorry @Brefugee -cross post!

FlouncingBabooshka · 01/09/2023 11:54

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:08

did he ever actually record a version of Only Women Bleed?
He is worth loving forever if only for that. (and that fantastic cameo in the Wayne's World film)

l’m pretty sure he wrote it didn’t he?

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:54

Teenagelament · 01/09/2023 11:35

He did indeed, he wrote it!

Oh I know he wrote it but I've ne er tried to find his version because Julie Covington is so perfect

CervixSampler · 01/09/2023 11:52

This is a beautiful song from Alice.

Might as Well Be on Mars g.co/kgs/5Jjd8C

Abra1t · 01/09/2023 11:50

RainWithSunnySpells · 01/09/2023 09:32

I've always loved this one (a slower song). Alice Cooper and Chris Cornell working together worked really well.

I love it too.

CervixSampler · 01/09/2023 11:47

This was announced last week. I've always loved Alice.

risefromyourgrave · 01/09/2023 11:45

HateLongCovid · 01/09/2023 10:07

Jonny Depp was found "Not guilty" wasn't he? Confused

Yes, and FWIW I think that AH lied a hell of a lot in her testimony, and agree with the verdict. But I tend to find that the majority of TRA’s also support Amber Heard, so find their stance a bit hypocritical.

MenopauseSucks · 01/09/2023 11:41

I saw Alice Cooper a few years ago.
His fans are so loyal, he could've walked on stage, farted into the mic & they still would've gone mad with delight!
Both sexes wearing a lot of makeup.

I doubt this will bother him & he's saying things his fans agree with.
Only Women Bleed was about a woman suffering domestic violence. The lyrics are worth a read.

Teenagelament · 01/09/2023 11:35

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:08

did he ever actually record a version of Only Women Bleed?
He is worth loving forever if only for that. (and that fantastic cameo in the Wayne's World film)

He did indeed, he wrote it!

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:20

also Alice Cooper does this:

Alice Cooper Solid Rock | Young Lives. In purpose.

I listen to Radio Bob here in Germany and I guess it's part of the Planet Rock stable, I'd never thought about it before, I often catch Alice Cooper's show, in English, and did vaguely wonder why he broadcast in Germany.

Alice Cooper Solid Rock | Young Lives. In purpose.

https://www.alicecoopersolidrock.com/

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 01/09/2023 11:16

RealityFan · 01/09/2023 10:49

I'm surprised at myself. I'm really feeling quite emotional about the Roisin story, over her personally.

When I was young I was pretty blasé about women's rights (what twenty something male has any time for feminism?).

But I've always been very sensitive to people being bullied. And this is the most pertinent example of bullying I've seen in many a year.

Alice Cooper is ugly enough, thick skulled enough, and critically, male enough, to navigate his firestorm.

Roisin has been taken straight to the stake, and the fire has been lit.

That both Alice and Roisin have been going through this the same week has really highlighted how different it can be depending on one’s sex.

Alice’s subcultural musical genre (and thus the industry around him) probably helps a lot too (rock & metal are popular with ‘Edge Lords’ of all ages but punk has become overrun with little wokescolds. Must be the ‘blue hair’ section of the punk/fun police Venn diagram).

Slightly tangential but not worth a thread of it’s own, I sometimes listen to the podcasts made by Justin Hawkins of The Darkness (not really into that band’s musical output but JH’s YouTube channel fell into my suggestions and since listening I have come to quite like him as warts-and-all type chap who talks quite candidly about his past eating disorders, alcoholism and promiscuity).
The episodes I like best are the ones he does with his female producer, Jenny May Finn. I recently listened to an (older?) episode where they were kinda playing a game re: giving interviews to the music press. Jenny was roleplaying a journalist and asking tricksy questions designed to produce an inflammatory, cancelworthy headline (which is I guess what happened to Alice?) and she, unsurprisingly, throws out some questions relating to trans ideology. Justin says that whatever your answer is to those sorts of questions it will alienate some of your audience (basically the ‘you could keep your mouth shut and be loved forever’ shit that gets flung at JK Rowling) and Jenny pushes at him a bit, gently mocking him for his cowardice.

Need to re listen as I was mid DIY job at the time but Jenny seemed sensibly terfy to me.

More evidence (cough!) for my fantasy theory of a Gender Skeptical Rockstars Whatsapp group chat 😆

MargotBamborough · 01/09/2023 11:16

user123212 · 01/09/2023 08:55

“We stand with all members of the LGBTQIA+ community and believe everyone should have access to healthcare. All pre-order sales will be refunded.”

Do they even know what "healthcare" means? It doesn't mean providing self-harming drugs and surgeries for a profit.

What I find particularly baffling is that so many of the people who go on about everyone having access to healthcare in the context of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones live in a country where many women can't access abortion and you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for maternity care. I'd understand those kinds of comments a lot more coming from people in the UK where everyone does actually have access to healthcare.

Brefugee · 01/09/2023 11:08

Nolongera · 01/09/2023 09:10

Schools out! Poison! I wanna be elected!

Listen with the sound turned up to 11.

did he ever actually record a version of Only Women Bleed?
He is worth loving forever if only for that. (and that fantastic cameo in the Wayne's World film)

SiobhanSharpe · 01/09/2023 11:07

Abhannmor · 01/09/2023 09:26

They probably think he is trans. Or a woman. That name , it's so confusing! And he only had his first hit in 1972 so it takes a while for people to adapt. Cut them some slack , Alice....

I see what you did there. 😉

Multipleexclamationmarks · 01/09/2023 11:04

Love Alice, and he's talking sense.

Appledrop · 01/09/2023 11:00

I've given him a follow on both Twitter & Facebook.

RealityFan · 01/09/2023 10:49

fromorbit · 01/09/2023 10:31

Alice Cooper comments on medicalising children were publicised on August 23rd in Rolling Stone from comments made in a public interview.

August 25th he dropped a new album went straight to No 1 in indie charts.

He has still been on tour in the Freaks on Parade tour with Rob Zombie, Ministry and Filter over the last 8 days still big crowds. Film footage from concert on August 27th in Florida. Lots of people there.

Vampyr Cosmetics cancelled their deal with Alice a few days ago since then they got so much back lash they closed their social media. They were more "cancelled" than Alice was. There has been lots of talk/media over that, but it is meaningless when he is still filling concert venues, selling albums.

He hasn't commentated further, but hasn't retracted a word.

Alice proves what Gervais and Chapelle did, men can say whatever they want about gender stuff. They may get push back... Chapelle had the most, but if you push through it will not impact your popularity at all and moreover the gender mob will give up after a while. Because men can have opinions.

Compare what happened with Rosin. Her own label has turned on her over stuff she said in private basically very similar to what Alice said but way more casually. She had to give out a weird semi apology. Everyone is still swarming her.

It is frustrating, but the double standard will undermine them in the end. Because as JKR and many others proved if they utterly fail in cancelling a woman they melt down and get more and more obsessed. So they create bigger platforms for women who will speak out like Maya, Riley Gaines, Martina etc.

I'm surprised at myself. I'm really feeling quite emotional about the Roisin story, over her personally.

When I was young I was pretty blasé about women's rights (what twenty something male has any time for feminism?).

But I've always been very sensitive to people being bullied. And this is the most pertinent example of bullying I've seen in many a year.

Alice Cooper is ugly enough, thick skulled enough, and critically, male enough, to navigate his firestorm.

Roisin has been taken straight to the stake, and the fire has been lit.

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