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Transgender Canadian international cricketer

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Talipesmum · 31/08/2023 08:12

There’s a long article on bbc news about a transgender cricketer (from Canada) about to play in women’s international T20 cricket. It’s a pretty good article. It’s not leading with the angle of criticising her, but it’s also not leading with how wonderful it is. It describes what is happening, mentions how this is in contrast to what many other sports are doing, follows that up with a good explanation of why those sports are doing that. It includes lots of quotes all round including from hee, but I think gives a pretty clear picture for readers, and sets them up to know what to look out for. And for anyone at all familiar with the topic there’s a lot clear but unsaid. Imagine there will be more on this later. Feels very different to an article we might have had a year ago.

Danielle McGahey: Transgender cricketer set to play in women's T20 international for Canada https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66597000

First transgender cricketer to play in international

Canada's Danielle McGahey is set to become the first transgender cricketer to play in an official international match.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66597000

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LadyMadderLake · 31/08/2023 13:31

And even if an individual did not have a physical advantage, it's still unfair. Female is female and there is a female category for females. Then females and males can have equal chances of having a career in their sport, of being the best, of playing for their country. A "transgender" (or not but just cheating, because how can we tell) male regularly takes a female's place, but not vice versa because females don't generally have an advantage over males. Thereby causing a sex-based disadvantage for all would-be female top players - there's less space and less chance for them.

Why don't we just let disabled men, or men shorter than 5'3", or men with one arm tied behind their back, play on women's teams? Because they are men and they don't belong there.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 13:29

Australian sport is as captured as Canadian sport.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11393860

Plasmodesmata · 31/08/2023 13:27

What are the rules in Australia? Would the Canadian cricketer be able to play on the women's team there?

LadyMadderLake · 31/08/2023 13:27

I know if I'd just picked up a bat last week, I wouldn't be able to hit the ball like I hit the ball.

Well duh. International sports success requires years of training and improvement, no shit. No one is suggesting all men are automatically brilliant at cricket because of their sex, but that they have a physical advantage. Where both sexes have done the training and preparation, that advantage remains.

SingingSands · 31/08/2023 13:22

From the article:

She believes any power or timing she has while batting have been honed from years of playing the game rather than the physiological benefits from male puberty.
"I can only speak about my journey. But the perceived strength advantage that trans women have is exactly that - it's perceived," McGahey said.
"I've been playing cricket for 25 years. I know if I'd just picked up a bat last week, I wouldn't be able to hit the ball like I hit the ball."
First up: McGahey has been playing cricket as a man for most of those 25 years. Obviously McGahey wouldn't even be picked for the international team if they'd only picked up a bat last year, would they?🙄

International success means more to the decision makers than fairness - playing McGahey increases their chances of winning, they know this.

So yet again, a narrow female field becomes further narrowed.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 31/08/2023 12:30

There's an article on the Times website about this too.

Not one of the comments supports McGahey (not the ones I saw anyway).

ZeldaFighter · 31/08/2023 12:23

"McGahey emigrated from Australia to Canada in February 2020, socially transitioned to a woman in November 2020 and started medically transitioning in May 2021."

That is an astonishing transition. Spent 20 odd years as an Australian male but has now become a Canadian international sportswoman.

Honestly, if the Canadian women players and administrators are OK with this, they deserve it. A Canadian woman has lost a place on her international team to a man who doesn't even mention representing Canada but "her community " - so unclear that the writer has to clarify [trans] community.

Clymene · 31/08/2023 12:20

SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 12:05

Blythin was claiming an incompletely diagnosed DSD in 2019 which meant they always had testosterone and therefore hadn’t had the benefits of a male puberty.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/cricket/news/12123/11870243/maxine-blythin-transgender-cricketer-reveals-birth-condition

Currently playing county cricket for Wiltshire.

When puberty failed to commence in adolescence, a variation in Blythin's biology became apparent for the first time. Test results showed the teenager's body was not producing testosterone at the expected level. She has not been given a medical diagnosis of a DSD (difference of sexual development) - also known as an intersex condition - but she may yet receive such a diagnosis in the future.

Still not diagnosed which is very weird. Surely not going through male puberty would trigger enormous investigation?

Also says their testosterone is 1nmol and that there are girls with longer arm spans in the team which I find very difficult to believe.

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SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 12:05

Blythin was claiming an incompletely diagnosed DSD in 2019 which meant they always had testosterone and therefore hadn’t had the benefits of a male puberty.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/cricket/news/12123/11870243/maxine-blythin-transgender-cricketer-reveals-birth-condition

Currently playing county cricket for Wiltshire.

WickedSerious · 31/08/2023 12:02

Nadlad · 31/08/2023 10:59

Ooh, well done Danielle. What a woman!

😂

Bunpea · 31/08/2023 11:58

Indeed.

Nadlad · 31/08/2023 11:51

SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 08:46

Thanks for sharing that video. There's no denying Danielle is all male when watching that. The physicality, movement, all male.

It also clearly shows that Danielle wouldn't get near representing his country in the men's team.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2023 11:40

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2023 10:38

@Morty12 no ‘máxine’ Blythe played for Kent though now seems to be no longer there

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/11870243/maxine-blythin-transgender-cricketer-reveals-birth-condition

How sad though that Blythe set women's records while in that team!

And didn't Blythe win women player of the year? And was lauded by Clare Balding for being that amazing woman player...

334bu · 31/08/2023 11:30

Interesting in video to see trans athlete beside women players and to see the difference in physique. A bit like Emily Bridges when photographed with the winning men's university team just a couple of weeks before being banned from competing against elite women. Difficult to distinguish the transwoman fromthe other over 6 feet men.

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puffyisgood · 31/08/2023 11:27

SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 10:52

Before and after pics.

What a difference a year makes.

right, so most players in Canada are of recent South Asian descent? unsurprising. I wonder whether there are any 'cultural' issues there in terms of Danielle's assimilation within the female player base?

PaperWalkAndTalk · 31/08/2023 11:23

Does anyone else get annoyed with all the talk from these sportsmen who say "people have studied my performances, and they have now dropped so much that I can be considered a woman".

The BBC and everyone is happy to report that trans identified males are now at such a lower level of sporting ability that they can be women, whilst at the women's World Cup they were claiming that the sporting ability between male and female footballers was the same.

Basically the BBC and everyone else just can't report on women's sport properly.

CaveMum · 31/08/2023 11:16

A surprisingly balanced article from the BBC. How times have changed!

DiabolicalFinial · 31/08/2023 11:13

All that is needed is the head tilt - it’s there, so all is good.

Seriously, though, when someone (be it a player or crowd member) is injured by this male - we know who is to blame.

Binglebong · 31/08/2023 11:09

Clearly no respect for male teammates either-they were all doing a serious team photo while the subject of the discussion was messing around throwing Vs.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2023 11:07

The ICC has to step in. There is absolutely no evidence that this would be fair. I come from a family of cricketers and this seems to be an outrageous and egregious lack of responsibility. The danger of that male individual hitting a lighter ball with a lighter bat with players closer in is very dangerous.

Bunpea · 31/08/2023 11:03

He’s a cheating man, and so the Canadian team is also cheating.

Nadlad · 31/08/2023 10:59

Ooh, well done Danielle. What a woman!

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SabrinaThwaite · 31/08/2023 10:52

Before and after pics.

What a difference a year makes.

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imed · 31/08/2023 10:44

What the fuck has happened to that beautiful country?

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