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The gender war is over in Britain apparently

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CatMattress · 29/08/2023 17:52

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/uk-trans-rights-labour-party/674944/

Seen on reddit. Haven't seen any discussion on MN so apologies if I missed this being posted. Labour have dropped self ID? When? I feel so out of the loop (I blame the summer holidays. Hell on wheels, my god. I can't remember the last time I had a pee without being interrupted never mind read the news)

The Gender War Is Over in Britain

While upholding trans rights, the Labour Party disassociates itself from radical postmodern theories.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/uk-trans-rights-labour-party/674944

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/08/2023 09:04

napody · 29/08/2023 21:06

Obviously the Tories have shat on women in myriad ways and for countless reasons, including exploiting this whole issue for their own ends.
GC, but always find these discussions depressing.

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Yes, I find the thought of an imminent Labour government enormously depressing, and frankly frightening.

Life long left winger. I don't trust them an inch.

They have betrayed us over and over. I don't know if I'll ever be able to unsee the misogyny this issue has revealed within the left.

bellinisurge · 30/08/2023 08:42

Don't trust Labour (yet) on this. Long way to go before I do

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CatMattress · 30/08/2023 08:24

napody · 29/08/2023 21:02

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories the article from Annaliese Dodds. I think its massive. Spelling out that sex and gender are different, and that the Equality Act says as much- after years of obfuscation from everyone (not just labour). About fucking time, obvs, but very welcome. ^^

Thanks for posting this. Certainly this paragraph seems unambiguous and encouraging
"need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services"

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napody · 29/08/2023 21:06

WallaceinAnderland · 29/08/2023 19:06

Not over. Labour have dropped self ID but will make getting a GRC really easy for anyone. Labour have not committed to saying that women means biological women only. It's just an attempt to win votes back from the women they've previously shat on.

Obviously the Tories have shat on women in myriad ways and for countless reasons, including exploiting this whole issue for their own ends.
GC, but always find these discussions depressing.

RayonSunrise · 29/08/2023 20:40

Self ID was quietly dropped a month or so back. The article describes what's happened quite well - worth a read.

WallaceinAnderland · 29/08/2023 19:06

Not over. Labour have dropped self ID but will make getting a GRC really easy for anyone. Labour have not committed to saying that women means biological women only. It's just an attempt to win votes back from the women they've previously shat on.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/08/2023 19:05

Well, they haven't really.

Labour are just talking out of both sides of their mouth, again.

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