The gender war is over in Britain apparently

I would not trust Starmer on anything, he changes his mind more often than he changes his underpants.

I agree. This part is incredibly slippery

And no answers as usual.

As for gender wars over it’s a strange take. Sounds like another way to minimise and get women to stop talking about it. Which Labour want more than anything, do whatever just don’t ask us or talk about it.

It’s difficult to believe the gender war is over when you see Roisin Murphy being cancelled by her own record company, and a judge finding a vicious criminal not guilty of inciting violence against women.

The only thing that differs from the Tory stance is the Tories actually put male sex offenders in women's prisons.

They facilitated and implemented the TRA agenda. Mostly in our schools.

Bastards.

Nope. As Jane notes above, they are still selling the sex fudge, just in a different wrapper.

Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services"
They still believe that TW are women. They think they can legally change sex (as per the GRA) so a TW in womens prisons and changing rooms is still okay. They are hiding behind the small print. They were also touting it as a safe space, not single sex space, has that been changed?

Thanks for the link. Go on LWD. Feeling even more hopeful now.

Labour has not changed its policy, it has merely changed the marketing.

Labour has looked at Scotland and realised that their policy is a dog turd so it needs rebranding. They have wrapped it up in paper and scribbled 'Green and Browns' on the outside to convince us that we are buying upmarket chocolate but there is still a dog turd inside the wrapper.

I have always voted labour but this election I will vote Tory. I will be gutted if labour win.

All I can say is THANK FUCK the tories have been in power (words I NEVER thought I would say) - can you imagine the absolute shit show we would be in if we had had a labour government - women's rights completely dismantled. At least the tories have stuck their heels in the ground and slowed the mad gender-bender-horse-and-cart down.

And when someone says - 'yes but what about all the other problems the tories have caused, what about the privatisation & corruption? Labour will be better'

I say - What, do you actually think Keir Starmer is going to come in and save the day? Pay nurses higher and nationalise the railways and fix the NHS? Do you think they have the power or the will to do so?

As if.

The same shit is going to go on, but with more wishy washy escuses and loads of woke virtue-signalling with ill-thought through policies that will no doubt be detrimental.

So would you rather the situation this country is in PLUS gender destruction of women's rights,

or,

this situation plus a conservation of existing values?

Because sorry but I don't think Starmer has the will or the backbone to swoop in and save the day. Just 'smile & wave. Smile & wave.'

I think I prefer the strong politicians who don't mind being unpopular. Kemi Badendoch for prime minister!

I'm keeping an eye on Joan Smith on Twitter. She's firmly on the left and has always been very loyal to Labour but some days she can barely hide her contempt for the party leadership.

I might start feeling hopeful when they talk to people like Rosie, and Joan Smith. Until then I reckon it's just window dressing.

Me too.

Read? I quoted you.
'I'd personally rather have the tories'

I didn't say you'd vote for them.

labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/lwd-at-labour-conference-2023-lwd-statement-comment-from-labour-politicians/

Do you have a link?

Right. They've barred LWD from conference again. Stopping women speak, is this what you mean by 'quietly'?

Quietly and effectively.

Well done GC women of Labour. They're starting to hear you.👏👏👏🙌

Build momentum how?

I think this is the start of it and it will build momentum as the GE approaches. The trans shitshow will hopefully die with the disastrous government that facilitated and implemented it.

For the first time in ages I feel hopeful.

Sounds positive. I've posted on these boards under different names over the years but it’s become very apparent that with such a direct clash of needs, the only workable solution is to separate sex and gender as much as possible. This paves the way for unimpeded kindness and sensitivity toward trans people, and truly protected single sex spaces.

Not everyone will be happy and there will still be discourse on both sides but I do really think it is the only solution.

So ... we can't trust a thing they say, then.

Sometimes they say things they don't mean, but we should trust that they will always do the Right Thing, even if they say they are actually doing something else.

Quite.

So on one hand we need to trust Labour to get us back in the EU. Yes their policy is to keep Brexit. But they don't really mean it, they're just saying that to appease certain voters.

But on the other hand, we need to believe Labour will stick to their revised No Self-ID policy. And they definitely mean it. And they're not just saying that to appease certain voters.

And so the answer is even less democracy?

I'm not discussing Brexit any further on this thread because it's not fair. But to repeat my point, this is how trust in all the political parties breaks down. And it means we no longer believe anything else they say.

undemocratic that should be