Alice Cooper

He's not 'thoroughly decent' if he raped a 13 year old.

He's very well respected for being a thoroughly decent, down to earth rock star.

His segment in the Wayne's World film is epic.

Interesting that Ne Yo cannot get that PR Isis hostage type statement retracted, he has to go on FB to counter it.

Will have to be the same with Carlos Santana and the PR guff posted by his record company on his "behalf".

Somehow, I don't think we'll be seeing it.

Just posting this to correct the record (I don’t want to contribute to misinformation on the internet!) looks like US arena gigs aren’t as bad as UK price wise. I went to a tour listings site and clicked through on the Nashville date with Rob Zombie (because who wouldn’t want to see AC with RZ in Nashville?). Tickets range from 40 to 90 dollars with booking fee included.

With Ne-Yo his publicist put out an apology, he then contradicted it

https://x.com/dc_draino/status/1688656162672058368?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

"Singer Ne-Yo puts out public statement to his 4M Instagram followers that he stands by his original statement:

Little kids should not get genital mutilation surgeries

His publicist put out a statement saying he apologized to the pronoun mafia and would “educate himself”, but Ne-Yo just put out his own video saying what he truly believes

As a father of 7, he believes genital mutilation of children is a “detrimental decision” that no kid can make and he doesn’t care if he gets cancelled

Big respect for this guy!"

Trailer

AC is a great example of how literally all of us are 'non binary' but all of us have a biological sex. Sex is real.

Santana has a rockumentary coming out.

They are 75 and 76 respectively - according to my quick Google they have three kids and each so odds are they have grandkids and can see first hand the crazed authoritarianism that comes with trans ideology.

They will both be handwaved away as ‘boomers’ of course but like it or not, boomers still run the world and the people who work for Santana & Cooper can’t cancel their boss.

Would imagine both command extremely high ticket prices so the people who can justify paying for them are also likely older, lifelong fan types.

Gigs have become hideously expensive in general but the stadium gigs are off the charts expensive (no darling child, I will not pay as much for you to see My Chemical Romance as I pay for Dolly Parton. Dolly P is the only person I will pay £150 a ticket to see!)

He did, I haven't seen him do a hostage style apology yet.

Didn't Ne Yo recently face down a tirade against his publically declared GC position?

It can be done.

I see Alice has dozens of tour dates lined up over the next few months including tomorrow. Imagine they will be getting cancelled or have huge protests outside. Just like they would be if it was a woman who said biology exists?

https://alicecooper.com/

Or is there something different about Alice which means he gets to say things about gender without being protested.

Chappelle got protested. Though that seems to have stopped he just celebrated his 50th birthday with a bunch of stars at a sell out gig at Madison Square Garden:
https://www.moviemaker.com/dave-chapelle-celebrates-50th-birthday-with-madison-square-garden-celebration/

I see that the usual hostage statement apology/retraction has been extracted for Carlos Santana opinion at a concert that men are men and women are women, and never the twain shall meet.

Natch', written by his PR team, but attributed to him.

And so it goes.

The comments! I didn’t read them
all but I didn’t see any that weren’t terfy as far as I scrolled!

I hope this becomes a standard question to rock musicians the way what is a woman?’ became standard to ask British politicians.

Alice Cooper talks such commonsense in the interview and I really like the don't-give-a-fuck-if-I'm-cancelled attitude of some of the older rockers.

But that doesn't make him a good guy as far as women are concerned. There's the sexual abuse of a teenager which other posters have written about but also his support for Johnny Depp.

Not quite in the same class as Alice Cooper and based on a slightly different analysis.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12443149/Carlos-Santana-goes-rant-mid-concert-tells-fans-woman-woman-man-man-claims-Dave-Chappelle-share-views-transgender-people.html

the punk subreddit is full of kids making rules about what is and what isn’t punk

Yeah I've noticed this as well. Fandoms and subcultures will obsessively police tiny nuances of what is or is not goth, or real Labour, or a true Trekkie or whatever, but when it comes to who is a woman, something that materially affects a marginalised group's safety and political and legal right to self determination, it's suddenly "meh, who cares? They're a woman if they say they are".

Always loved Alice cooper

My guess is:

They are older
They have life experience which makes it very clear to them that men and women have biological differernces that impact their lives
They've never really cared about people not liking them
They've already made their bundle.

I would also say that not all music subcultures are necessarily progressive in their political orientation. They might be libertarians, but certainly if you look at the rap music world, many of them are not all over the typical American Democrat talking points. Kanye West obviously, but also people like Lil Wayne, don't seem to have much time for id politics. I think the same is true in genres like metal.

Interesting.

I’m a Doom Metal/Stoner Rock & Punk Gal Minotaur myself and the punk subreddit is full of kids making rules about what is and what isn’t punk (while the few Gen Xers on their mock them for their authoritarianism).

I noticed the transgenderUK sub are currently trying to name and shame a UK tattooist for posting pushback against trans ideology on his Insta story. I reckon GC is the majority view point for almost all aging alt types but maybe it snuck up on some of us because it looks a bit counterculture if you don’t look too hard (and it was a bit counter culture in the way that Wayne/Jayne County did it).

I can’t believe the self righteous pomposity of the editorialising in that article. To think that a rock music magazine might once have felt a bit….transgressive?

Yes, I read that. It's horrific. 13 year olds! Schoolchildren, barely pubescent. Fucking creeps, the lot of them.

Hmmm I might have to look in to deathcore. I tend to like heavy loud music.
I also like men with long hair and makeup as long as they know they’re men.

@ArabeIIaScott Bowie and Iggy Pop both abused sable Starr too. Pop even wrote a song about it. Grim