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Vogue - another captured publication?

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SabrinaThwaite · 23/08/2023 09:20

Vogue magazine has published a piece by Emily Bridges:

I Was Banned From Competitive Cycling Because I’m Trans. That Won’t Stop Me Fighting For My Rights.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/emily-bridges-trans-cyclist?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned

Full of the usual hogwash and inaccuracies, and the discredited CCES report is doing some heavy lifting.

And apparently they will be trying to take British Cycling to court. We shall see.

I Was Banned From Competitive Cycling Because I’m Trans. That Won’t Stop Me Fighting For My Rights

Cyclist Emily Bridges has been competitively racing since she was 10 years old, but now, due to new policies introduced by British Cycling, she’s been banned from competing in the women’s category.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/emily-bridges-trans-cyclist?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned

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LondonLass91 · 24/08/2023 14:57

ErnestMilton · 24/08/2023 14:46

The powerhouse list is baffling.
Carol Voderman? Lila Moss?

I know, it's so hilarious isn't it..powerhouse indeed...

LondonLass91 · 24/08/2023 14:54

Who on earth buys Vogue anymore....I mean who are these people?!?!

ErnestMilton · 24/08/2023 14:46

The powerhouse list is baffling.
Carol Voderman? Lila Moss?

Floisme · 24/08/2023 14:38

I've no objection to men writing and talking about clothes and fashion - gender identity immaterial provided they have something interesting to say on the topic. What I object to is using a magazine about clothes and fashion to talk over women and promote your own agenda. And yes, an editor should be able to spot the difference.

Clymene · 24/08/2023 13:28

Vogue is a men's rights magazine. Men should never be made editors of magazines where the primary readership is women.

Floisme · 24/08/2023 13:28

ThelmaBorden · 24/08/2023 13:17

who buys/reads Vogue??? hands up !!

Me. Or at least I used to before they featured Paris Lees in the women's suffrage edition. I love clothes and I miss it.

SinnerBoy · 24/08/2023 13:25

I Was Banned From Competitive Cycling Because I’m Trans.

Hmm, Zachily started them's article with a lie as the first sentence. Them - as we all know - hasn't been banned at all.

Don't publishers of false articles have to print corrections?

enchantedsquirrelwood · 24/08/2023 13:21

SabrinaThwaite · 24/08/2023 10:15

In a year where the England women’s football team and the England women’s netball team both made it to World Cup finals, and with the England women’s rugby team topping the world rankings, it’s strange that Vogue chose a male as the only sportswoman.

When I say strange, what I actually mean is shameful.

And all the good athletes - KJT, Femke Bol, Sifan Hassan, Laura Muir. And now a new generation: Megan Keith, Molly Caudery and the various gymnasts and sailors who've won international medals this year.

ThelmaBorden · 24/08/2023 13:21

Emily and her enablers are thick skinned and hard faced alhough she sure
has impressive shoulders, ala Alexis Colby, (who was at least stylish and witty).

enchantedsquirrelwood · 24/08/2023 13:19

Beowulfa · 24/08/2023 09:40

So why can't Emily compete in the Open category?

Emily can, but Emily isn't good enough. Emily can only beat women.

As for Vogue - there are so many amazing sportswomen they could feature. I hope they all tell them to get stuffed.

ThelmaBorden · 24/08/2023 13:17

who buys/reads Vogue??? hands up !!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/08/2023 12:58

Bridges is an entitled brat.

NotMadeOfStone · 24/08/2023 12:57

According to the DM article on this, Bridges said that being banned from competing against women was akin to a genocide.

I mean, absolutely fuck this person.

miri1985 · 24/08/2023 12:38

British Vogue is 100% captured, they have both Paris Lees and Shon Faye as columnists. I doubt they would ever feature anyone who has expressed GC views or publish GC views

borntobequiet · 24/08/2023 10:32

It’s not really surprising that a publication that exists to promote a fantasy of womanhood that involves all sorts of expensive, impractical and uncomfortable props to support the fantasy, should succumb to this one.

SabrinaThwaite · 24/08/2023 10:15

In a year where the England women’s football team and the England women’s netball team both made it to World Cup finals, and with the England women’s rugby team topping the world rankings, it’s strange that Vogue chose a male as the only sportswoman.

When I say strange, what I actually mean is shameful.

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MowingTheTerf · 24/08/2023 10:03

Emily Bridges is this year's token trans woman in Vogue's Women of the Year list, the BBC will soon do 100 Women and have to find a token trans woman or two to add.

But this is a Conde Nast issue, GQ keeps posting about trans issues too and asking readers to donate to Mermaids.

Beowulfa · 24/08/2023 09:40

So why can't Emily compete in the Open category?

risefromyourgrave · 24/08/2023 09:33

Boiledbeetle · 24/08/2023 01:10

Just when did women, mothers in particular, become such terrible guardians for their children.

They've always existed. It's just that there's a lot of them in the public eye these days. And not only that but they are being lauded as the complete opposite. It's truly sickening.

I think the problem is that going against what your child wants is hard work. It takes a hell of a lot of talking, crying, research and fighting against ‘the norm’ (the norm being instant affirmation, puberty blockers, etc.) to actually get to the crux of why your child wants to transition.

God knows when my DS wanted to transition it was an extremely hard time for all of us, trying to walk the tightrope between showing him that we loved him no matter what and questioning where his ideas on gender had come from and what he actually expected from transition.

It would have been so easy to just whack him on the puberty blockers and come out as a feted trans ally with all the rainbows and sparkles that would follow. It if we had done that then he would now be medicalised for life and would be on his way to ‘bottom surgery’ and all the absolute horrors that entails.

So I’m immensely relieved that we put in the hard work, luckily me and my son have a very close relationship, so it could withstand the questions and heartache that happened. I’m still his ‘favourite person’! 😁

WickedSerious · 24/08/2023 07:38

RufustheFactualReindeer · 23/08/2023 21:49

If India had a brain they’d be dangerous

of course different sex classes were brought in so men wouldn’t be be upset at always losing….

sorry, but honestly how fucking stupid would you have to be to believe this?

A brain?

If India had a cervix they'd be dangerous.

Helleofabore · 24/08/2023 07:16

drhf · 23/08/2023 22:14

I still remember a 2017 article in Vogue spin-off Teen Vogue teaching young girls how to have anal sex.

The article referred to girls as “non-prostate owners”.

It included a diagram purporting to show female (“non-prostate owner”) genital anatomy from which the clitoris was omitted.
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/07/20/no-teen-vogue-backlash-anal-sex-article-not-rooted-homophobia/

Vogue’s grasp on feminism has always been self-serving and fatuous, but when it comes to gender, they’re on another level of misogyny.

I believe it is known now that Teen Vogue has a huge male adult readership. The mag is aimed at them. It has been giving male oriented advice that they tried to hide as for being teen girls. I believe misinformation was coined with teen Vogue in mind.

Helleofabore · 24/08/2023 07:07

SabrinaThwaite · 23/08/2023 17:11

I’ve just added it to archive.ph if you want to read the full article.

Meanwhile Sandy is trying to get into it with Amelia Strickler on Twitter. Amelia is having none of it. Sandy resorting to telling Amelia that she has an advantage through her physical attributes and ability to train hard. Well duh!

Edited

Cyclemum as she was on here was never as coherent or as insightful as she believed she was. I expect Amelia is rolling her eyes.

NitroNine · 24/08/2023 03:23

Oh, but @RealityFan, didn’t you see the bit in the article about the CCES having announced TW totally don’t have a physical advantage in sport?

The language of the site alone makes it clear there’s an ethical issue with with this centre of ethics (ie ideological capture & resultant bias). The report itself makes for quite remarkable reading - they’ve decided on the conclusion they want & reached it by ignoring the evidence (BeCaUsE rEaSoNs) & making a wide range of remarkable claims along the way; as well as the usual grossly offensive attempts to pretend this is in some way related to the issues around people with DSDs participating in sports & said issues being framed as racist policing of women’s bodies.

Personally - & I accept not everyone shares this view, due to our having fallen through the Looking Glass - I don’t think a paper that states “Male” and “female” are not mutually exclusive categories and should not be treated as such should be given any weight regarding biology & physiology. It’s all about testosterone from the physical side; & only elite athletes; & really the important thing to consider is the social factors… it’s absolutely brain-bending; & I don’t mean in the sense of intellectually challenging 🤦‍♀️

Transgender Women Athletes and Elite Sport: A Scientific Review | Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport

https://www.cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

fromorbit · 24/08/2023 02:29

PermanentTemporary · 23/08/2023 21:27

Well, Emily isn't free any more to screw anyone over - they were the catalyst for British Cycling to finally get off their bloody fence and make a decision. Tbh I think Emily's often-expressed worldview was the trigger for all the sport dominos falling in the past year or so. A whole lot of women were suddenly willing to take action, mostly behind the scenes but effectively, and all of a sudden we are in a different world. TRAs fought this one because of what it proves - that TWATW. Whole new world thanks entirely to Emily taking British Cycling's thoughtless off-the-Stonewall-shelf policy at face value and inadvertently tipping over the whole facade. I'm genuinely grateful and genuinely think BC treated Emily badly.

Rudeness about someone's lack of femininity isn't being gender critical.

True Emily certainly is a big ally to the gender crit movement. British cycling has a long history of being sexist, but Emily managed to push them to actually do something for women for a change by being so over the top. Similar effect to Lia Thomas.

As for Bridges and his family. Bridges went to a fee paying school, not a major one, but enough to be firmly in the upper middle classes and obviously comes from a fairly posh background that is how they could afford to support cycling. Hence the sense of entitlement, but also the family pressure and expectation. That can work well, up to the point it pushes you too far. Plus Bridges is from Wales, that you can't tell that from the accent says a lot, from just outside Newport and to be fair to Bridges is likely to have not fitted in well in everyday life.

When you listen to Bridges you might go that is a bit of a posh twat, or the social artifice pulls you in. Bridges and his family know well to appeal to a certain section of the British middle classes, that is how they got a bunch of media stories out, but the thing is other Brits can see right through it, and they just don't know how to handle that. The Brit love of turning on social climbers has a dark side, but when it hits well deserved targets it is enjoyable on a deep level. Bridges claiming genocide just sounds absurd. Peaking a lot of people. The more publicity they get the better it is for us.

Vogue's headline got reader contexted with the truth on twitter which is delightful.

The Vogue headline is incorrect. Bridges is entitled to compete in the open category and has therefore not been "banned from competitive cycling." The statement that Bridges may not compete in the Women's category is accurate.

The Telegraph is loving this and has a great quote:

Fiona McAnena, the director of sport at Fair Play for Women, told Telegraph Sport: “It’s shocking, isn’t it – it’s once again a real kick in the teeth for women. We have any number of outstanding female athletes and Vogue will prefer to showcase a male cyclist who has not performed at the highest level. Emily Bridges is not yet a successful international cyclist so it’s hard to see why Bridges is there.
“Katarina <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/hOljJ/www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2023/08/20/katarina-johnson-thompson-gold-medal-world-championships/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Johnson-Thompson became the world champion in the heptathlon – she is a world champion in a really tough event. She should be in there, not Bridges.”

Boiledbeetle · 24/08/2023 01:10

Just when did women, mothers in particular, become such terrible guardians for their children.

They've always existed. It's just that there's a lot of them in the public eye these days. And not only that but they are being lauded as the complete opposite. It's truly sickening.