Vogue - another captured publication?

Okay, so wins are stuck but surely records could be struck off. They're not female records, they're records set by a male in the female category.

It's so unfair that those would be allowed to stand for perhaps decades, maybe even forever. In 40 years time the record could still stand, with the fact that the record setter was actually male being lost to time. That's infuriating.

The point is, literally everyone except the mediocre male-bodied people in question KNOW they cheated and didn’t win honestly.

Even the mediocre male-bodied people know in their heart of hearts that they cheated.

Hence the pathetically drastic measures they took to cheat.

Theres absolutely no way of doing that without ending up being sued or dragged through the CAS. Those wins were legal under the rules at the time, however wrong the rules might have been. The reason Armstrong et al got stripped of their palmares was because they were found to have been cheating under the rules that were in place at the time.

It is, although going back to the 800m I do think the likes of Keely Hodgkinson and Mary Moraa can achieve records.

With parkruns, we just need some of the elite ladies to go to the ones where the course record is held by Longthorpe etc and beat it. A few weeks ago Louise Small (not quite elite elite, but right up there) ran Teignmouth parkrun and achieved a new ladies ourse record of 17 minutes. I thought it was a pity she hadn't gone to Parke - I think she could have beaten Longthorpe's record there.

Interestingly there was an article on Twitter about Longthorpe having run an ultra at the weekend in the female category but someone realised and s/he was put into the non binary category so a woman won her rightful prize. What was particularly interesting about this was that some years ago Longthorpe was interviewed for Womens Running magazine and specifically said that they would not compete in the female category at races. But s/he did. Maybe s/he won't again.

“When all else around me was failing, my running was there as something to cling to”: Siân Longthorpe interview - Women's Running (womensrunning.co.uk)

Yes, sorry I quoted the wrong item there!

I'm guessing that means certain males will hold certain female records forever more then.

What a pile of 💩

I doubt it, sadly, because they were following the rules at the time. Same goes for the DSD athletes at the Rio Olympics getting all the female 800m medals. Even though they can't compete now, they could at the time, so no rules were broken.

And following up on another point, yes MN is very good for learning, and FWR in particular.

I still feel I’m new to MN but have seen every strategy you mention, more than once!

The latest one didn’t afaik call us “cis” (or the very important capitalised “Cis”) but was probably interrupted or skived off early or sent for more training.

Thats actually very very true

i have learnt a lot on MN and especially on the FWR board!

lots of very articulate women on here

Will the sporting organisations that have finally protected female athletes do something to correct the errors made in handing prizes and records to males competing in the female category?

It's clearly been a mistake. Seems obvious to me, therefore, that those prizes, medals, trophies, records, stats and all oney won should be reclaimed from the males who were allowed to claim them, and given to the real winner.

It's the only way to restore justice.

Ah Rufus

Everyday is a learning day on MN! That is what we are all here for!

Well that took a turn

interesting that the poster couldn’t back up anything they were saying

and interesting all their deletions for what i assume were personal attacks

and I did not know that calling someone brainless when they say something brainless means you are anti trans (i’m not) and racist (i’m not)

so quite the education

Ah yes we're genocidal maniacs for not wanting men in women's sport.

How did we ever get to this?

This is another example of how hard fought participation for women in sport was, and yet these cheating wotsits want to take it away again. Bobbi Gibb: The Boston Marathon pioneer who raced a lie - BBC Sport

I wondered if anyone on MN had picked up on this (why I came back to this thread). Lots of commentary on Twitter!

Rachel McKinnon is another cheating wotsit. Glad they've finally made themselves so objectionable that the UCI is dealing with it, although as someone said on Twitter it's funny that they can be as sexist as they want, but when they go after the UCI they act. Would they have allowed racism? And if not, why is sexism ok?

Will Bridges be sanctioned for their comments about British Cycling causing or supporting genocide?

No they're not. They believe in gender stereotypes and think because they want to wear a dress they must be a woman.

I told my DH the other night that I must be a transman because I wear trousers and don't wear high heels. He guffawed. It's no laughing matter though is it, when these prats make such a fuss and cause so much damage.

Of course, in Emily's case it's just about cheating your way to prizes in womens' sport.

How unsurprising.

It is wonderful to let Ivy/McKinnon speak unfettered.

How wonderful to see that ‘there will be no cis-women riding in the open event’ said with such clarity!! Saying the quiet bit out loud and proud. It is all about the validation and not about competing in a sport that they love to compete in.

Thanks OP for posting that bit of news.

I wonder if now all those who used Ivy/McKinnon to form their policy will start calling that individual the ‘suspended and abusive Ivy/McKinnon’. I mean, women pointing out that McKinnon said women should die in grease fires wasn’t enough to stop organisations calling for Ivy/McKinnon’s input, maybe an official sanction might .

“surround yourself with good loving people”

See, this is another twist. I suspect that shutup honestly believes they too are ‘loving’. Whereas they have turned up and attacked people with slurs and name calling.

How is that love? Is that the kind of love that shutup supports? is that what they are modeling for the child they are self-reportedly breastfeeding?

Readers, this is part of the destabilisation of language. Where males can be female. Where tolerance is used to self describe people who are not tolerant at all. Where love is portrayed as delivering abusive terms and name calling.

The condescension, the aggressiveness and the lies that this poster delivered is all wrapped up in their false belief that they love others and spread that love everywhere. The love bombing complete with emojis.

That type of ‘love’ is an abusers dream.

It is remarkable when you see it. You cannot unsee it.

I've done a very important, official survey amongst my male friends and colleagues.

Not one had any issue, beyond a first "wtf?" notice-the-bloke-in-the-dress moment.

No problem with them. No fear, no aggression, no disgust, just "OK, ok".

What they DID have concerns about were females using male facilities, especially youngsters.

Each and every one of those guys were conscious of the female in the same space as them when they were using urinals. They're aware of the potential for accusations and trouble for them. They just want to pee, and now are thinking of possible trouble. Enclosed space, no witnesses, bloke says something like "what are you doing here, you're a girl" and the police are called on him.

Men ARE concerned, they're just not concerned about the males.

It is always the same. It is like they all follow a script and it isn’t even imaginative.

New poster (allegedly) arrives on thread and flings around accusations of hate and bigotry in first post.

Quickly thereafter tells posters they are a woman, doing some kind of womanly activity (one had to bake a cake iirc) while posting and telling us they have no issues with sharing spaces or accepting males as ‘women’. How cool, eh!

Then comes the misinformation. Immediately followed by ‘google it’, sometimes with an emoji. But the misinformation is usually about suicide, or male on male violence angainst trans people in toilets and we are told that there are plenty of peer reviewed papers.

Usually there is a post saying we should get to know someone trans, like we don’t already. Getting to know a psych was a new and bizzare angle this time.

When the misinformation is highlighted, some distractive discussion about womanly activity is attempted. With more insults, and false accusations, of course.

Then comes a weird flounce that goes through and offers love and hope we get educated, get help to overcome our hate /trauma. The words ‘peace and love’ in some form with an emoji finishes the interaction.

Sometimes this includes another mention of their womanly activity too.

I wish they would change the script and bring some actual evidence to back up their claims. However, the objective is just a drive by scolding and I expect they think they bring enlightenment and that readers will read their posts and think ‘gosh, they are so right!’.

But it is often the opposite. Readers see emotional manipulation and abuse and nothing to back it up.

Thank you for the live demonstration @shuddupayaface .

(Note to readers: there are none. There is no peer reviewed paper discussing suicide numbers. Not one! There are incentivised self reported market research surveys that are poorly worded that have been weaponised, but nothing based on fact. There are no statistics for trans people being attacked in male toilets either, no articles nothing to back up the falsehood that male people who are trans are attacked in male toilets)

Open and female for all competitive events at BC: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20230526-about-bc-static-Update--Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Participation-policies-0

The UCI seems to have wholesale lifted the policy from BC but then muddied it in bad translation in the press statement. From what I can gather it applies both to elite races and to the masters, Gran fondos etc. I haven’t looked through the rule book. As the closest I ever get to UCI races is watching them I try and avoid it. The BC rule book is bad enough! https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-adapts-its-rules-on-the-participation-of-transgender-athletes-in/6FnXDIzvzxtWFOvbOEnKbC#:~:text=From%20now%20on%2C%20female%20transgender,categories%20–%20in%20the%20various%20disciplines.

As an aside, telling people who have spent ages studying this whole field (some here have done it for more than a decade) that they should educate themselves is not at all kind or even useful. Education is not the same as indoctrination.