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Gillian Keegan pronounces

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Ramblingnamechanger · 23/08/2023 01:15

On Chanel 4 news (I think) 22 August. Thinks that guidance for schools on “trans issues” is not coming any time soon, and when pressed stated that the guidance is not statutory anyway…so what would it be for, I wonder?

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ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 23/08/2023 08:43

Funnily enough there are no mentions of toilets or changing rooms at at all - it’s almost as if PfC realised that letting boys in the girls facilities was a step too far for normies to accept 🤔

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 23/08/2023 08:40

I’ve slightly overegged that, on a reread.

Nonetheless (and despite loads of guff) there are some bits in this old, pre big spike in teen referrals /ROGD social contagion that is quaintly sensible, eg the stuff about resistance/detransition.

imagine the uproar if all the girls grammars kicked out their ‘transboys’!

Gillian Keegan pronounces
Gillian Keegan pronounces
Gillian Keegan pronounces
Gillian Keegan pronounces
WarriorN · 23/08/2023 08:24

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 23/08/2023 08:19

This is the guidance Stephen Whittle wrote for schools ten years ago.

Swhittle says that teachers don’t need to decide anything because that’s the job of the NHS paediatric gender service.

Dunno why we can’t just go back to this, no NHS specialist gender Dysphoria diagnosis = no social transition.

https://e-space.mmu.ac.uk/621105/1/03.%20Legal%20FctSht03_GenderVariantKids&Schools.pdf%20

In a way that's useful advice as very few of the kids in schools appear to have an official diagnosis so it would sort the wheat from the chaff and stop silly teachers who applaud rainbow outings. It draws it back to being a serious medical condition where there may be different ways to handle it.

Except the toilet / changing issue

But legally that can't be formal till 18? So any male receiving the diagnosis should still be using male or single occupancy loos.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/08/2023 08:19

Probably the mess of the legislation and the lack of clarification about how sex change relates to children (as the legislators who developed all this didn't imagine for a split second that trans activists would be allowed to relentlessly target children) means that their aim of safeguarding children is proving to be difficult.
If they'd tackled this when women first started raising concerns, then the principle of safeguarding children could have been established as the priority. Instead adults with fetishes have been allowed to hold the centre stage and determine the priorities. Removing them from influencing schools and forcing schools to prioritise children's safety and wellbeing over their demands is now proving to be legally problematic?

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 23/08/2023 08:19

This is the guidance Stephen Whittle wrote for schools ten years ago.

Swhittle says that teachers don’t need to decide anything because that’s the job of the NHS paediatric gender service.

Dunno why we can’t just go back to this, no NHS specialist gender Dysphoria diagnosis = no social transition.

https://e-space.mmu.ac.uk/621105/1/03.%20Legal%20FctSht03_GenderVariantKids&Schools.pdf%20

https://e-space.mmu.ac.uk/621105/1/03.%20Legal%20FctSht03_GenderVariantKids&Schools.pdf%20

LizzieSiddal · 23/08/2023 08:07

Ive never believed they’d do it before the next election because they’ll want to make it a “wedge” issue during the election campaign.

They actually don’t care about children do they.

BCBird · 23/08/2023 07:59

This is ridiculous. Why are we not being given proper clarity? Shocking. Ignoring the issue won't help anyone. It reminds me of a child who puts their hands over their eyes who thinks if they cannot see u, u can't see them.

WarriorN · 23/08/2023 07:46

If it's not statutory, what's the point?

Musomama1 · 23/08/2023 07:42

She doesn't get it. She doesn't understand that children can't make adult decisions, she doesn't understand that parental consent is actually parental demand.

She doesn't understand that no female sport, even non contact ones are not to be surrendered because of tantrums.

With zero pressure Keegan would appease the trans lobby. At best, we'll see a fudge here. The fudged areas will have a negative impact on girls.

borntobequiet · 23/08/2023 07:03

Keegan is a monumental dimwit.

Apollo441 · 23/08/2023 03:30

What a useless waste of space she is.

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