Guardian describes puberty blockers as fully reversible

That's good to hear - seems to be a common issue for women's health conditions, they don't get heard for a long time.

@WarriorN thank you for asking. The joy of menopause is that it cures endometriosis, in much the same way that puberty so often cures gender dysphoria.

Sadly there are a huge number of women who have taken Lupron (the puberty blocking drug) who were irreversibly damaged. I think there are quite a few class action lawsuits happening in the US.

The tragedy is that it takes the general public so long to realise how devastatingly harmful these drugs can be. Look at the massive number of lives ruined by the scandal of Oxycontin. I think anyone who has watched Dopesick will see the similarities between opioids and Lupron.

Genevieve Gluck did some
research around who influenced the latest WPATH v 8.

genevievegluck.substack.com/p/academics-involved-with-top-transgender

The push towards stopping sexual maturation ought to give people pause. Who benefits? I daren't say for fear of a ban, but it starts with p and rhymes with weedophiles.

Well, that's a mess. Here's another go:

https://archive.ph/XYA9J

Let's try this WarriorN:

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Isnt it that they're then allowed the time to actually go through puberty?

Which doesn't happen in gender medicine applications

Is there a time frame beyond which puberty is switched off permanently even if you stop medication entirely, ie. You've missed your slot.

I don't know. A PP has said that when used to treat precocious puberty, they are usually only given for 6-12 months but is that really so? I'm not sure it would be worth delaying an early puberty by only 6 months.

I hav seen them prescribed (by paediatric endocrinologists, ie experts!) to a 2 year old and to a 6 year old, both because they were entering puberty. Obviously the 2 year old will be on them for a good few years.

Edited to add - I've just seen the separate thread about this so I'm off to read it now.

This was the separate thread which has some excellent links detailing how the statement that they're reversible arose in the first place.

Where did the 'fact' that puberty blockers are reversible come from? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/where-did-the-fact-that-puberty-blockers-are-reversible-come-from

That sounds horrible Speed. I hope they've helped your endo in a different way now.

That link seems to have gone Nauticant

As Glinner rightly points out, puberty blocker medication is the drug that was given to chemically castrate Alan Turing. Unbelievable that the Guardian is so relaxed about this poison being given to gay and autistic kids.

I had the misfortune to be given this medication for endometriosis. It was literally the worst experience of my whole life. They list the possible 'side effects' and of course one never dreams that they will all occur. But it's like being lobotomised. You lose everything that makes you feel human, not just your entire sex drive.

Luckily I was only on them for a few months, and I haven't had had long term problems from it (many women have had far worse experiences). But my heart bleeds for vulnerable kids who can be on blockers for years and are missing out on the best parts of their lives.

If only I could make it the law that anyone who wants to recommend puberty blockers has to take them for 6 months first. That would stop this idiocy in its tracks.

This seems to show the claim being made in 2005 in a film called The Gender Puzzle:

https://www.journeyman.tv/film_documents/2876/transcript/

JANINE COHEN: Lawyer Rachael Wallbank presented medical evidence in court that puberty-blockers were reversible and could save the child from self-harm or, worse, suicide. Not everyone agrees with the view that adolescents should receive puberty-blockers for this condition. Many religious organisations are opposed to any form of medical intervention, and some doctors question the long-term effects of puberty-blockers.

I'm actually going to make a new thread with the question.

Reading one of the references, I don't think anyone ever made the evidenced claim that they were reversible. They just announced they were?

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2121238

Sorry this paper

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Biggs_ExperimentPubertyBlockers.pdf

And this follows on I think

www.transgendertrend.com/the-tavistocks-experiment-with-puberty-blockers-part-5-the-belated-results/

What was the original claim that they're reversible based on?

I often go back to this paper which describes the car crash of how the Dutch method was distilled into the Tavistock and patient leaflets made this claim.

I'm very unclear as to what actual evidence and science that claim was based on.

Does anyone know?

Children who take puberty blockers for precocious puberty rarely take them for a few years. More likely 6 months to a year.

Or any parent of a gnc child?

Well Christ, that's just a horrific dangerous blatant lie!

It looks like the best way to get the Guardian to consider a complaint about this is if someone "personally and directly affected" puts in the complaint:

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Paging detransitioners and/or people with "transition regret" who were put on puberty blockers?

I rarely read anything in the Grauniad these days. I find I get very angry with much of the content, a lot of it seems to be aimed at US readers , or is just identity politics . In the good old days they had decent journalists who could actually write a piece giving both sides of any argument, draw decent conclusions and were seeking to inform,that era has gone. As far as this goes, it's very poor , no research seems to go into it, what can one say?

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So everyone saying they are reversible are really basing that on the treatment protocols for precocious puberty where it really is designed to be a pause and is strictly time limited to stopping as soon as possible.
You wouldn't normally treat one condition with the drugs for another and just assume it would be OK without extensive trials etc. It's outrageous!

I saw this earlier. Thought it was reasonably balanced ish (for a Guardian article anyway) until I got to the statement that puberty blockers are fully reversible. Can't believe they are still printing that as fact!