Parents remove 4 year old after Grandads Pride book shown to pre schoolers

@Chersfrozenface He knows, he's co founder & co chair of UK pride organisers network.

And he's influential.
https://twitter.com/andytrain/status/1694097982793150622

There is the most ridiculous statement ever in the BBC story.

"Andy Train, chair of the Hull and LGBT+ Forum, helps organise Hull Pride events and gave his reaction to the book.
He said: "I was surprised to see this illustration. I think the illustrator [of the book] was given carte blanche. It's a bit stereotypical. An illustration showing a family waving a trans flag, for example, may have been a better choice.
"People are free, within the realms of the law, to dress how they want at Pride event.
"Some people do attend Pride events wearing that kind of clothing but that tends to be abroad. The weather here rarely lends itself to dressing in a revealing way."

He's either never been to a Pride event (unlikely, given that he helps organise one) or he's lying. I wonder which it is.

The story made it on to local news last night and the vast majority of the comments agreed with the parents. Our library service has ten copies.

The nursery has now wisely withdrawn the book.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-66591848?xtor=AL-73-%5Bpartner%5D-%5BBBC+England%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_id=87C7A198-41A9-11EE-9411-610AFE754D29&at_link_origin=looknorthBBC&at_format=link

Oh, and she's a viper who posts on MN FWR with no time for genderwoo.

@Mochudubh I'm glad it's not just me thinking about the back story, wondering about Granny and her potentially unhappy marriage.

I hope they divorced amicably and she's shacked up somewhere with another partner who adores her.

It is ALL about boundaries though. This book is about lowering sexual boundaries. And to be clear, of course I am not talking about LGB people having 'low boundaries'. It is the fetishistic nature of what is being shown in the book. And the hidden message aspects.

But it is all about getting this book into the hands of people who will read it to children for the author.

I think it’s a good acid test - “would you show a hetro couple in fetish gear in a kids book”.

For those who would, I would have concerns about boundaries and whether the sense of transgression is exerting coercive control over people who didn't volunteer to be an audience.

Well that’s the whole point really. It’s not about being anti LGB (I am B). It’s about the fact that fetishism isn’t appropriate for children. I think it’s a good acid test - “would you show a hetro couple in fetish gear in a kids book”. If the answer is (obviously!) no, then you shouldn’t do it just because the protagonist is gay.

Well done them for listening.

Apparently the nursery has now withdrawn this book, having decided that it's not 'age appropriate'! Hooray!

I think I'm just angry because it's being enabled/promoted by people who should know better. How can anyone safeguard children but then promote a book that has fetish gear in it, and that book is intended for pre-schoolers? Would they tell a 4 year old that stripping on the internet was a good career choice? If not, why not?
People really need to engage brains, and not go down the 'inclusivity' route.

That's not "What next" is it? It's a throwback to early centuries, child prostitution, child sexual exploitation, the Shirley Temple/Hazel Ascot films. There has always been a sustained push to normalise paraphilias and some taboos: it's been phenomenally successful.

I was about to say YABU as someone with a 4yo and a gay brother and brother in law (married to each other) and to say young children are able to accept same sex couples with very little fuss. But I wouldn’t show hero couples dressed like that so it’s very inappropriate. Do the people who chose these books actually have kids or an interest in what’s appropriate for them?

or is it publicity for the book and a bit of a dog whistle?

Hertfordshire libraries have 11 copies.....7 of which are out on loan..wtf are they thinking

This is exactly why my child is in a Catholic school. They wouldn’t dream of showing them this sort of material.

In libraries, I meant to add…

My local council has 10 copies, spread throughout the region.

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Grandad's pride in the 90s was having to go visit on VE day and look at his medals whilst your nana told everyone how brave he was, Grandad looked deeply uncomfortable with endless sherry being pushed upon him and if you were lucky you got a choc ice.

I feel so old, within the next 10 years it'll be visiting Grandad and being shown his collection of butt plugs and nana shows you the strap on they use from when the nice lady over the road pops around for a brew and bang on a Thursday.

Seriously wtf is this book?

Imagine next year's Book Week costumes!

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I've just been thinking about this again on my walk to work. Further to my previous post, when Grandad was waving his Pride flag in the 70s or 80s he wouldn't have been able to marry his husband, would likely have been subject to frequent, open homophobic abuse. If he was in Scotland he could have been jailed for having sex, up to 1982 I think. (Good ol' progressive Scotland).

Maybe he married Millie's Granny because it was the done thing and was only able to come out after she died or something. I find the possible back story all very sad. If it was real life I doubt if Millie finding the flag in the loft would make him think "Yay, lets have a fetish party"!

I find it pretty insulting to those people who had to actually fight to achieve the same rights rather than boo-hooing because they can't get everything their own way. I doubt if the young author and cohort actually understand how bad things were for LGB people not that long ago. Hence the attack on Fred Sargeant, an actual Stonewall rioter.

What next? Girls dressed provocatively for Only Fans? I mean the awful pageants that are held in the US make me livid, are we really going down that route? Are we really thinking that 4 year olds need to know about sex, BDSM, fetish wear etc? and ,if so, why? I think I know the answer , but why don't those who are paid to actually think?

Eugh

Grooming

And we’re told to accept it