Should Uterus Transplantation for Transwomen and Transmen Be Subsidized?

No

WHAT

Trust me the first man to go through this would be the last.

Just imagine the mansplaining, which would of course be widely publicised because of the novelty and shock value.

TW: 'Did you know that periods are actually really messy and painful?'
Interviewer: 'Really? I'm so sorry to hear that. How you must be suffering.'

TW: 'I'm not gonna lie, childbirth is excruciatingly painful, and there are long-lasting effects on the body. I'm actually in therapy now trying to come to terms with the loss of my six-pack.'
Interviewer: 'Wow, you've had such a lot to cope with! Well done you.'

TW: 'Mastitis is the pits! Breastfeeding is actually quite demanding.'
Interviewer: 'But it's so incredible you did this for your kiddo! You're an amazing person.'

Etc etc.

@Coyoacan where did you read such an article? Conspiracy theorists have taken recent statements from the FDA regarding ivermectin and twisted them into pretzels. A good explanation here : https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23729915.ivermectin-cover-up-fda-really-get-wrong/

don’t you think that if ivermectin worked for Covid that pharma companies would be chomping at the bit to flog an existing relatively cheap medicine with a mark up and rake in the cash, rather than spend tens of millions on clinical trials of new medicines that may or may not work? But it doesn’t work, so they couldn’t.

Bang on!

One of the creepiest aspects of this is the idea that transmen, i.e. females, will be queuing up to have their uteruses removed, and that means they can then be donated to transwomen. The health implications for both are horrific. The medical profession should find its spine and say no, loudly and often.

I seem to remember not so long ago there was a national shortage of HRT drugs for women, but somehow, male women (!) were still able to get their "HRT" therapy.

You wanna bet these poor oppressed, vulnerable people wouldn't shoot straight to the top of the list over a mere woman?

There are “clinicians” who say not to vaccinate your kids because vaccines are toxic & cause autism; who say covid is just a cold [best treated with horse wormer]; & who say puberty blockers are “safe & reversible” (outwith usage in precocious puberty). Some clinicians maintaining something so patently false & ridiculous is hardly surprising, though always disappointing.

No offense, but by sheer coincidence I just read an article yesterday explaining how the FDA has acknowledged that it distorted the facts around the so-called "horse-wormer", and promoted ridicule of the idea because there was no money in it for the pharmaceuticals.

The pharmaceutical companies are so twisted, that they will do anything to make money, even sterilise children.

And I personally got vaccinated and cannot even remember the name of the "horse wormer"

pregnant women must not drink much coffee or tea, are encouraged to avoid any alcohol, definitely must not eat mold-ripened cheeses or soft-boiled eggs, the nitrites in cured meats are bad for the baby, tuna may give the baby mercury poisoning, ibuprofen might harm the baby's kidneys

Can expect to receive lectures from strangers in public if they take a sip of a wine cooler or light a cigarette—can even be imprisoned in some parts of the world (including US states like Alabama that recognise "chemical endangerment") for substance misuse but…academia does love thought games and ethical discussions that somehow make it into real world policy with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Immunosuppressants puts you at high risk of infection and side effects of the drugs can be severe and are considered to shorten life expectancy themselves. Women who have had this surgery have done so just to get pregnant so the transplant is removed once the baby is born, so they can stop immunosuppressants.

Meanwhile, pregnant women must not drink much coffee or tea, are encouraged to avoid any alcohol, definitely must not eat mold-ripened cheeses or soft-boiled eggs, the nitrites in cured meats are bad for the baby, tuna may give the baby mercury poisoning, ibuprofen might harm the baby's kidneys. But, hey, immunosuppressants - Some immunosuppressive drugs are teratogenic and should be replaced even before the pregnancy, while other drugs need to be managed with caution to prevent fetal risks, including miscarriage, intrauterine growth restriction, prematurity, and low birth weight. - fill yer boots! Man-feelz override any considerations for the resultant child.

Quote taken from: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6306731/#sec13-jcm-07-00552title - an article about how to support pregnancy in women who are obliged to take immunosuppressants.

Never going to happen. My cynical view is that I love the idea of men/transwomen being able to get pregnant, think of all the wonderful selling points:

• risk of unwanted pregnancy
• contraception - I’m sure men are going to love having a coil fitted
• morning after pill - side effects
• abortion
• painful periods
• endometriosis
• Pregnancy - morning sickness, haemorrhoids, tiredness
• child birth
• being told at work your pregnant not ill
• facing maternity and pregnancy discrimination
• taking a hit to your career
• taking a hit to your pension
• ……

Trust me the first man to go through this would be the last.

"It’s like society has a computer virus."

I wish there was a societal equivalent of "Control/Alt/Delete".

Good point. And the sad thing is, mums like SG, will tell their little boys that it’s all going to be available soon. ‘A little operation’.

It’s such a screwed up self-perpetuating and augmenting circle of interests between delusional people, sicko Dr Frankenstein-type scientists and big pharma on the make. It’s like society has a computer virus.

Any male going on puberty blockers before puberty has started will be sterile, this (whilst still not medically possible) will be used to say "well you may be sterilised, but you'll soon be able to become pregnant" (and probably won't even due say that any child won't be biologically theirs either).

I see this as nothing but a promotional tool to get more males to transition. In America it's big business for the medical industry, whilst in the UK pharmaceuticals make money selling the hormones etc to the NHS.

Medically this may never be possible, at the very least it is decades away, but today this is being used as a promotional tool to get more males to transition.

Safety is only ever relative, never absolute. In order for a woman to undergo this it involves a general anaesthetic and that alone carries risk. Immunosuppressants puts you at high risk of infection and side effects of the drugs can be severe and are considered to shorten life expectancy themselves. Women who have had this surgery have done so just to get pregnant so the transplant is removed once the baby is born, so they can stop immunosuppressants.

First of all no. They can’t gestate children even if they had a successful womb transplant. The science is there

Second of all..no they can pay

Although Frankenstein was the surgeon who created monster, most people think of and refer to the monster when they think of Mary Shelleys seminal character. A story with great relevance to this sad concept.

It is also often denied that there are male people out there who have pregnancy fetishes.

Every day there is a new example being posted, being self published.

https://x.com/mscots41/status/1693665630715625582?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

There was that male person who joined a still birth support group and discussed their soon to be delivered still born infant.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4037973-Simulated-pregnancy-and-induced-lactation?page=1

However, it isn’t hard to find these people on the different social media sites. And it feeds into this ethical debate.

I, personally, think it is cruel to encourage any male person who wants to believe this is possible as it is potentially life shortening. Researcher are doing this for their own agenda not because there is a genuine need for the human race to achieve this.

Totally agree.
There are already experiments on embryos, and it won't take much more for the barriers to be moved back even further to allow these Frankenstinian type of "advances" in science to become a sick reality.
Who would have thought we would ever be carrying out mastectomies on young teenagers, or giving them drugs to suppress a completely normal puberty? Or even prescribing cross sex hormones to mentally ill or autistic people where it clearly is not in their best interests? 10 years ago you would have been laughed out of the room for suggesting that such a thing would ever be possible, and yet the barriers have been moved to make all this acceptable.
I am sure the barriers will be moved again to make these previously derided experiments a reality.

I completely agree, but children have been created by donor gametes and surrogate mothers, there are calls to fertilise eggs without sperm - just by putting DNA in it, calls for ‘3 gamete’ embryos where an egg has had its DNA removed.. The ethics of any of this is barely considered, even though none of it can be for the benefit of the child. These things are being pushed for by adults with infertility issues, same sex couples and the scientists and practitioners who are eager to try it and exploit it.
There doesn’t seem to be much of an appetite to stop it all and get some child-centred ethics. Just half-arsed resignation that it will just be done in a country where there are no medical ethics to hold anyone back, so we might as well do it here.

Although the idea of implanting a womb into a man so he can realise his dysfunctional obsession/fantasy of being a pregnant woman, is truly revolting, pointless and harmful, doesn’t mean that the will isn’t there and the will to stop it is.

God that it stomach-churning.

Why? Just, why?

If its being implanted in a man then its not a transplant. Its a cosmetic procedure. That's not something the taxpayer can afford. International treaties ban experiments on humans without consent; a fetus can never consent. IDK how proposals for implants in men or artificial 'wombs' could pass an ethics committee without dismantling human rights laws. You might also want to think about where the donated wombs will be harvested from.If your activism is working towards dismantling human rights legislation, its not a civil or human rights movement.

In fact, transplanted uterii (in females) last one pregnancy, exceptionally two, before being removed.

The risk of damage from the anti-rejection meds is only outweighed by the benefit of pregnancy. Once that's achieved then it's out with it.

And while successful pregnancies have been achieved, it's not many - far, far more failures than successes. This is not by any stretch a routine option for women with MRKH who want a baby.

People who think it's a good idea to expose women to severe, and severely premature, osteoporosis and vaginal atrophy? Never, feelings. People who think it's a good idea to damage developing bodies and minds? Because, feelings. People who think it's a good Idea to have themselves emasculated in order to create an artificial cavity that will need daily dilatation, cleaning and luxuriating for life? Because, feelings.

As for transplants only lasting a few years, together Willy all the ongoing dangers of anti-rejection drugs, wherever a utters has been transplanted into a woman for the purpose of her caring a pregnancy, that uterus is then removed after the baby's birth - because all those hazards are not justifiable when they do not prolong life. But, hey, let's not let medical ethics get in the way here.

Not that I'm even convinced that it is ethical to transplant uteruses even between females.

This has been a major change in the way we think about medicine, but also the law.

We demand accommodations of some kind as a kind of correction or compensation for material reality when it seems "unfair". Which these days means doesn't fit in with someone's view of equality.

It's really important to see this as part of a bigger picture. People are demanding this stuff because we've already normalized it to a large extent, we've already said that we need to compensate people, or somehow create an even playing field, even when the element of material reality in question is perfectly functional, normal, working properly.