Should Uterus Transplantation for Transwomen and Transmen Be Subsidized?

Sorry, 46%. I got the 20%ish from a different bit of the article.

Guessing that 20% of british women use only pads, because you've got to know where the vagina is to put a cup or tampon up there. And we are supposed to buy the lie that "cervix haver" is accessible and clear health care messaging when so many women don't know their own anatomy? JFC.

It is gay sex, two blokes, once you get past the gender identity obfuscation.

But you cannot say that vito. Acceptance without exception. This is a person expressing their need to have this happen so they can be the woman that they really knew they were.

And let's not mention that in this video, this male talks about having some much 'gay sex' to get pregnant. It really shows that all the terminology has been completely queered.

Surveys indicate a striking deficit of awareness persists despite education and other factors.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2019/03/08/half-brits-dont-know-where-vagina-and-its-not-just

Confusion about urinary incontinence and a prolapse…

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/30/most-britons-cannot-name-parts-vulva-survey

There's something to be said for the 1970s feminism that came up with "Our Bodies Ourselves" and had women lying on their backs with hand mirrors.

My urethra is right at the edge of my introitus, I know this because I've looked at it! I definitely know that I am not pissing out of my clitoris. And yes, the glans clitoris developed from the same tissue as the glans penis, but they then developed differently. We all (bar chimeric babies, who developed from two cells) developed from a single cell, yet we don't claim that the brain is just a grey round liver because those two organs followed differing developmental paths.

But WHY?!?!? I'm as pro-choice as they come, full-on "as early as possible, as late as necessary, on demand, and free of charge" levels of pro-choice, and I still think that not getting pregnant in the first place is a better option. Never mind getting organs implanted and putting myself at risk of STIs from unprotected sex in order to get pregnant only to abort. There's something very wrong with that person.

That's what I was thinking of. My granny had this misconception, but she was born in 1903 and never had any science or health education.

To be fair, even on FWR, we've had posters admitting that it was only during their 3rd experience of giving birth that they realised the vagina and urethra are separate.

Hence the 'clitoris is just the tip of a penis' memes.

A not insignificant number of people think women have two holes 'down there', not three.

Which one do they think is missing?

yup.

The uterus is a plug and play organ apparently. You plug it in and everything magically happens. And the estrogen and other hormonal cocktails will simply turn on all the magic that happens in female bodies during carrying a foetus.

It is remarkable that people cannot understand that simply providing a hormone cocktail will not allow genes and coding to be overwritten and that a implanted body part kept alive with a blood supply will not just be a cosmetically implanted body organ that require full artificial monitoring and only ever artificial compounds to be injected to build a human.

The rhetoric is very much like that of people demanding that changing enough of the secondary sex characteristics of the human body artificially will 'change the sex' of a human being. It is ignorant, it is ludicrous yet it is embraced by some extremists.

It’s anything to do with women that can be sexualised and fetishised. Women with placards saying ”My body my choice” gives some men a confusing mix of sexual desire, envy and anger about being not being able to hold a placard saying the same.

Now that menopause is being more openly spoken about, there are probably a lot of men developing menopause fetishes - fantasising about the mood swings and hot flushes, etc.

Even if women told men to “fuck right off and stay out of our space” there will be some men who are turned on by it and fantasise about saying it themselves.

"What kind of sicko has an abortion fetish?"

The kind that demands access into female single sex spaces? The kind that tells female people that they are just like them just infertile because nature caused them to not develop ovaries? The kind that demand that they are treated as 'just like infertile women'? (which is hugely offensive and is very emotionally manipulative)

A lot of talk on this issue is fantasy, and I'm sure the well-made point about moving the Overton window is right. Let's not forget, though, the sheer ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity and common sense that so often runs through discussions of topics like this.

A not insignificant number of people think women have two holes 'down there', not three. This is of course related to the view of the female body as a series of holes, a passive vessel waiting for a male to make use of these holes.

There is very little understanding of how complex women's bodies are or how they develop. I often see a casual assertion that all embyos start off as female and then some (the favoured half?) develop as male, very much implying that this is going to be the more complex of the two options. This is nonsense. All embryos develop in the same way to begin with, but from a weeks after conception, male embryos develop in one way and female embryos develop in another way. Female bodies are far more complicated than male ones, especially after puberty.

It doesn't surprise me that some people think a uterus could just be put into a male body and would work, because they have no grasp at all of all the complex inter-related systems that are involved in female bodies even when not pregnant, never mind the massively more complicated changes that happen when a woman is pregnant.

They did nothing of the sort. Doctors in the USA can prescribe any licensed medication they like for any purpose. However, if the doctors prescribe a drug for an indication (ie disease) other than the one the drug is licensed for, then the prescribing doctor bears the risk of something goes wrong, not the pharma company. This is how it’s been for years and years. It’s the mechanism by which doctors can use existing medications for new and/or rare diseases.

And this is what FDA said. They said they don’t recommend doctors prescribe ivermectin for Covid as there is no evidence it works, but they can’t stop doctors prescribing it.

What kind of sicko has an abortion fetish?

Yes. And there has been an inglorious history of transplanting monkey glands albeit for regenerative purposes rather than transformative of sex.

Serge Abrahamovitch Voronoff was a French surgeon of Russian origin who gained fame for his practice of xenotransplantation of monkey testicle tissues onto the testicles of men for purportedly as anti-aging therapy while working in France in the 1920s and 1930s.

The above is from Wikipaedia but this is more interesting if you have access.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-true-story-of-dr-voronoffs-plan-to-use-monkey-testicles-to-make-us-immortal

Does anyone ever discuss the opposite possibility, of a TM receiving transplanted testicles? Why is that, I wonder?

The pp is correct. The Supreme Court in the US ruled recently doctors can prescribe ivermectin for Covid. It’s not horse paste. It’s a Nobel winning medication for humans. It’s taken by millions of people on a weekly basis. They couldn’t have an emergency use authorisation vaccine if they had a drug that worked. Follow the money. The pharma companies were paid money to research the vaccines and then granted immunity for liability. Win, win, win.

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What you are missing is the victimhood that could be claimed from this issue.

Plus, we have been told on this board by male people, that they just would have a c-section. No worries apparently. It is breezily dismissed.

Would a transwoman even be able to successfully carry a pregnancy beyond a certain point? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that no amount of cross sex hormones can change the shape of your pelvic bone structure, and people who were not born with the female version just wouldn't have enough space within their body for a growing foetus, wouldn't it crush all their other organs? I know my organs were crushed enough during late pregnancy, I could barely put my socks on without getting out of breath, I can only imagine it would be much worse for someone with significantly narrower, i.e. male, hips.

I haven't taken myself off the organ donation register, although I think I am now probably too old to be of use from that point of view. As far as I can recall, the UK organ transplant register has confirmed that uterus transplants are not on their list so nobody who goes on the register is consenting to have their uterus removed for transplant/implant purposes. Additionally, they don't just rely on being on the register. Next of kin are also consulted before an organ is removed for transplant. My next of kin are in no doubt that my uterus stays where it is, no matter who wants it.

I used to work with a couple of people whose lives had been saved and greatly prolonged by kidney donations. One of them was on his second. I wouldn't want to do anything to damage the chances of someone like him getting a much needed transplant.

Genuinely interested in this- why did you take yourself off? Are there other reasons? Obvs this might be a really private matter and feel free to tell me to do one but now I'm feeling like there's something about organ donation that I don't know!

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g exactly they would get awards, a Nobel prize etc.

They can all fuck right off.

Maybe they could look at ACTUAL male infertility which brings grief to many men and women around the world, and see if they can do anything about that.

I'm still furious that the only medical solution to DH and I being unable to have kids in the traditional method was for ME to have all sorts of injections, drugs, chemicals and treatments when there is nothing fucking wrong with my fertility, plus the privileged of paying for it to happen. So, no kids.