Should Uterus Transplantation for Transwomen and Transmen Be Subsidized?

Even if a TW could have a uterine transplant, they wouldn't have the physiology in order to form a placenta surely ? Just because they had a uterus inserted wouldn't make the uterus actually functional

Wouldn’t they count your uterus as an organ? It is not just ‘tissue ‘ in the same way lungs are not pulmonary tissue.

Yes, my uterus is an organ, but not one of the organs listed when I gave my consent. At the time it was something along the lines of Kidneys - yes/no, Liver - yes/no, Corneas - yes/no, Tissue - yes/no, etc. While 'Tissue' was explained, it was such an open explanation that I felt it could be very freely interpreted. Suggesting to me that it was a catch-all that could at some point be interpreted to refer to parts of the body not specifically listed. I have no desire for any of my tissue or organs to be used for the furtherance of anti-women ideology.

I should probably have another look at the consent. It was different to when I had first given consent as a student. Might have changed again since I last gave consent.

No way!

Rewatching this now I am struck by what a sweet and polite child Poppy is and how Josie is using Poppy as a prop in Josie’s retconned fantasy childhood.

Thank you! And that's exactly what's happening. In the same way that Erica Anderson in the US used child patients as validation to prop up Anderson's fantasies of passing, that was my impression of Josie. (I can't find the quotation I have in mind but it stuck with me.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4528613-LA-Times-reports-that-transgender-psychologist-is-raising-concerns

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10719497/Transgender-psychologist-helped-hundreds-teens-questions-sharp-rise-children-coming-out.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMcGRZCz24

About 3 mins in.

Rewatching this now I am struck by what a sweet and polite child Poppy is and how Josie is using Poppy as a prop in Josie’s retconned fantasy childhood.

That was a My Genderation video short, iirc (Fox and Owl’s media company).

They are more than happy to perpetuate myths about how close we are to males having babies, breastfeeding etc

From Tulip and other detransitioners, we know how powerful mythologies and stories like this are in persuading young, vulnerable people to transition.

2018-19 who was the 'elder' in the interview with a young child who spoke about being able to give birth and said that it would probably be true for the child? (Sadly, I'm not Rowantrees, my bookmarking and memory let me down.)

They are covering this story on the BBC this morning. This is not a NHS thing. The surgery on the woman in Oxford is charity funded and the surgery was estimated at £25k, all the staff worked for free.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66514270

Refreshingly for the BBC, there are lots of reference to women in that article. Also TV discussed drawbacks of the surgery, that you need a very close tissue match (in this case the transplanted uterus came from a sister) and that the recipient has to take anti-rejection drugs. The woman has embryos in storage, the idea is to put them in the transplanted uterus and after a hopefully successful pregnancy, she will have to have another op to remove the uterus.

The very IDEA that such complex and difficult surgery be performed on a man is just ridiculous.

Wouldn’t they count your uterus as an organ? It is not just ‘tissue ‘ in the same way lungs are not pulmonary tissue. Tissue tends to be things that can be taken up to a few hours (depending eg bone) after you die and can be stored. You also don’t need to be ‘brain dead’ to donate because they are taken after you are ‘fully’ dead. https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/helping-you-to-decide/about-organ-donation/tissue-donation/

I've seen that, that person is deluded, it's not as simple as have transplant then get pregnant in the conventional way, you have to use IVF.

Then there is the 'abortion', well the pessary isn't going in to a vagina is it? And a surgical abortion, again there isn't a vagina.

Apologies for engaging in/with derail everyone, but…

@Coyoacan @Nousernamesleftatall

No offense, but if you want someone to realise you’re addressing them, you need to indicate you’re doing so.

What the FDA actually say re: Ivermectin (ie don’t use it); & the Cochrane Review from 2022: it doesn’t work - not a shock, given it’s an anti-parasitic. When talking about the Supreme Court, do you mean the Supreme Court of the State of Wisconsin who ruled in May that Aurora Hospital could not be forced to treat Covid-19 with Ivermectin? Note the reiteration of the fact the FDA have not approved the drug for covid. What cannot be prevented is people procuring the drug either from a doctor willing to lie about the ICD10 code or via the veterinary route & taking it for covid-19.

You would have to be foolish indeed not to think there are issues with the pharmaceutical industry & indeed the FDA; but trying to stop people killing themselves with horse wormer really isn’t on the list.

Timely news article implying a big waiting list for those transplanted wombs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66514270

I never thought I'd see an ethics committee stating that there aren't male bodies and female bodies. But some have. I refuse to acknowledge them.

Interesting. So would they get an old womb and get eggs from someone else. Or maybe there are people who just want a womb for that full on womanly feeling.
I guess anything is possible once you've fell down the rabbit hold into FrankensteinLand.

I suspect I'm too old for my womb to be useful.

AFAiK wombs often don't age in the same way ovaries do.

When I last looked, you could give a blanket consent or select consent options for a list of organs, including 'tissue'.

I have given my consent for donation of all the named organs, but specifically excluded 'tissue'. It may mean that somebody loses out on, I dunno, skin graft, or some research. But no tissue will be taken from my reproductive system, for donation or for research. Not ovarian tissue, not uterine tissue. My dh knows how I feel and is fully behind me on this.

(At the time I registered my consent he thought I was being melodramatic. The potential situation I was describing was so ridiculously implausible. He is now fully Team Terf.)

I suspect I'm too old for my womb to be useful. But can I change my donor card to make sure it doesn't get a second chance somewhere I don't want when I'm dead?

TW are very keen on fairy tales though it seems, and the perpetuation of those fairy tales.
A popular TW just popped up in my Youtube feed. They are now planning to marry their formerly gay partner, have babies together, and they are contemplating "breastfeeding" which is apparently easy as you "just take progesterone" (incorrect actually). The absolute shite these people spout is just mind boggling. Never mind the obvious fact that there again, is NO thought for the child, it's ALL about validating their existence as a "woman". Cue the fawning comments about what a great "mother" this person is going to make.
Sickening.

They are more than happy to perpetuate myths about how close we are to males having babies, breastfeeding etc.

There is very little understanding of how complex women's bodies are or how they develop. I often see a casual assertion that all embyos start off as female and then some (the favoured half?) develop as male, very much implying that this is going to be the more complex of the two options. This is nonsense. All embryos develop in the same way to begin with, but from a weeks after conception, male embryos develop in one way and female embryos develop in another way. Female bodies are far more complicated than male ones, especially after puberty.

Yes, that particularly irks me too.

Absolutely. People need to push back hard and point out it isn’t possible and won’t be happening rather than get bogged down talking about fairytales of who will pay for an impossible thing which won’t be happening

chances of a transplanted uterus in a male body with incorrect hormone levels gestating a fetus are 0%

That may be true of implanted uteri but we know from puberty blockers and reversibility that the truth/reality of the matter is irrelevant. When enough people repeat a lie and it's a staple truth of MSM, then it becomes true as far as the public understanding goes.

It even goes ahead as the foundation of suicide prevention policy and an area of urgent unmet need in healthcare.

To be fair, no one ever talks about implanting ovaries into men either, why? Because of the huge market for synthetic hormones.

As has been said time and time again, follow the money. Stonewall et al make money from campaigning, big pharma the money from the medication, surgeons the money from the surgery, woke companies the money from woke youngsters etc.

It’s never going to happen. The only doctors who will talk about it are idiots like Harrop who don’t actually have the intelligence, skills or knowledge to do a uterine transplant. Those with the skills to technically do it won’t do it partly because if the ethical issues but mainly because they know that the chances of a transplanted uterus in a male body with incorrect hormone levels gestating a fetus are 0%.

but idiots like writing daft articles like this one as it skirts the actual issue, it pretends that it’s a possibility/reality that this could happen when it isn’t.

NO WAY!!!!!

yes. But that is a sex realist opinion, if you know what I mean. That is an inconsistency that video.

Firstly, that is person is either lying or has not concept of what being a woman is. Some how they have either convinced themselves that they will have ovaries with viable eggs and an entire endocrine system implanted that could control the release of eggs to enable this male to get pregnant through sex with a male person. Or they know very well this is a complete fabrication and they are talking about something that will never ever happen.

Secondly, that they describe it as 'gay sex' meaning they are fully aware that they are male and they would be engaging in male to male sex.

This person seems to at least be acknowledging in their own mind that they are male and will remain so but that they are indulging in believing falsity.