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So apparently I am a hateful bigot. Who knew?!

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NoChanceYouMetalBastard · 19/08/2023 21:59

This has been playing on my mind since it happened. In a pub on Thursday night just gone. Very old building - toilets not great. No separate mens/ladies. Go through one door and there are 3 cubicles for all. Everyone has to queue together in this very small space. Big queue - a 6 foot 4 ish man with a beard wearing a flowery blue dress and lipstick, who was stood behind me, suggested that we speed things up by "us girls" going in together. I refused. That led to a tirade of abuse including that I was a hateful old bigot and it was known that 'girls' always shared a loo. Obviously he told all his pals at the table he was sat at, and they loudly discussed my transphobia until I necked my drink and left. It has been bothering me ever since! Just sharing/venting more than anything.

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SirVixofVixHall · 20/08/2023 12:03

HildasLostSock · 19/08/2023 23:07

I'm late 40's & have never shared a loo cubicle in my life, unless you count with my (then) 3 year old (& also with my mum when I was 3, probably). Also what @AvengedQuince said. Why would anyone share a cubicle with a stranger? So weird.

Same. I have been in a cubicle with my Mum, and my daughters. I have shared changing cubicles with friends , but not loos, it hasn’t ever been necessary as it doesn’t save any time. I have shared a biggish bathroom as a very young woman, at a house party with a friend, where one of us needed a wee and the other wanted to have a private talk, put on makeup etc.
really weird and creepy of random man.
HatefulHag would be an excellent user name !

crunchermuncher · 20/08/2023 12:02

So sorry this happened to you.

It almost beggars belief (I say this not to disbelieve you but, well, it's just insane that it happened isn't it?).

I would also urge you to contact the pub - not because they can do anything much but if I was manager of an establishment I would want to know if someone had been threatening other customers.

You don't even have to mention sex or gender if you feel it might be difficult, just tell them a stranger who was much bigger than you asked you to share a toilet cubicles and was abusive when you said no, and now you have reservations about going back to that pub.

Their response will tell you whether it's a place you want to continue to give your custom to, and you never know, they might respond positively and put steps in place to make the place safer.

BabyStopCryin · 20/08/2023 12:02

I have never shared a cubicle (my own child when small excepted). Yuk.

Hillcrest2022 · 20/08/2023 12:01

So presumably he expected you to be comfortable pulling down your underwear in his presence in a small enclosed space whilst he whipped out his penis? Right. Anyone ANYONE who would defend that behaviour is far worse than any name they could call you for objecting.

DuesToTheDirt · 20/08/2023 12:00

I am gobsmacked that any of you share your toilet cubicles with anyone. I haven't done this since I had preschoolers. Most cubicles are too small, even if I wanted to do this, which I certainly don't.

RealityFan · 20/08/2023 11:54

Reading this story reminds me of that crazy guy from a year two back
"It's MADAM! Call me MADAM, you fuck!"

MagpiePi · 20/08/2023 11:51

Maybe he was only asking because he knew you’d say no, and then he could complain about transphobia, hatred, bigotry etc etc etc, and get some more sympathy/ validation off his transablers?

I wonder if any of them offered to go in a cubicle with him to soothe his poor hurty feelz?

JanesLittleGirl · 20/08/2023 11:48

NoChanceYouMetalBastard · 19/08/2023 22:33

There are no separate mens/ladies. It is literally 3 cubicles for all.

Sorry, I must learn to read posts thoroughly.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/08/2023 11:44

ReginaRegina · 20/08/2023 11:37

It is odd how GC feminists have all these dodgy encounters with transwomen whilst the rest of us hardly ever even see them.

It's almost a case of speak of the devil and he will appear.

'Woman experiences unwanted boundary crossing behaviour by entitled horrible man'.

An increasingly common occurrence now which is why so many are here.

ReginaRegina · 20/08/2023 11:43

I dunno. It just reminds me sometimes of all the MRA stories about 'the feminist who screamed at me for holding the door open'. But I try to give the benefit of the doubt as I know there are some truly bonkers TRAs out there for sure.

Screamingabdabz · 20/08/2023 11:43

And it’s that lack of understanding of the female experience and vulnerability that means no matter how people present, they will never be a woman.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/08/2023 11:41

ReginaRegina · 20/08/2023 11:37

It is odd how GC feminists have all these dodgy encounters with transwomen whilst the rest of us hardly ever even see them.

It's almost a case of speak of the devil and he will appear.

Does the OP claim to be a "GC feminist"? Or is she just an ordinary woman encountering the attentions of a creepy man claiming to be a woman? An increasingly regular occurrence since the social contact started being eroded by dodgy men.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 20/08/2023 11:39

Or maybe you’ve got it backwards and those of us who have frequent stressful encounters with Transgenderists are more likely to become GC?

ReginaRegina · 20/08/2023 11:37

It is odd how GC feminists have all these dodgy encounters with transwomen whilst the rest of us hardly ever even see them.

It's almost a case of speak of the devil and he will appear.

Grammarnut · 20/08/2023 11:31

Creepy person. He is probably having 'days of being a girl' and thinks we do things like this - pillow fight over the sinks, maybe? Venue should do something about its loos.

Fruitynutcase · 20/08/2023 11:08

How odd . Wearing a dress and lipstick sporting a beard ! I think he was just trying to be controversial and enjoys stirring the pot by asking you to share a loo . He knew damn well what your reaction would be . He's just a sympathy/ attention seeker.

RealityFan · 20/08/2023 10:43

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 20/08/2023 10:33

"Touch it, and I'll go away" was the demand. "
I hope she replied "Sorry, I left my secateurs in my gardening apron. Fuck off"

Listen, she learnt from the best...her bold as brass big sister.

On the tube in the 80s, she was travelling home from a big supermarket shop, when a fella got his groin in way too much close proximity to her thigh.

She shouted him to back the fuck off. He was strangely hard of hearing. Must have been all those moaning and panting sounds he was making.

Next thing, she swings her shopping bag at him, the frozen leg of lamb she was carrying broke his arm really sweetly.

At the next stop, as the perp is moaning and groaning in pain, telling British Transport Police that she's a danger, they quietly tell him they'll throw the book at him if things go forward.

Can you imagine the same scene today? Different reaction, ya think?

Certainly it must be, otherwise the pub perve in this story could not act so unhesitatingly brazenly in his toxic "request".

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 20/08/2023 10:33

"Touch it, and I'll go away" was the demand. "
I hope she replied "Sorry, I left my secateurs in my gardening apron. Fuck off"

RealityFan · 20/08/2023 10:30

Piccalillipromises · 20/08/2023 10:04

What on earth?! First of all, what woman shares a cubicle with a female they don't know??! That's just not a thing I've ever heard of! Personally I wouldn't even share with one I did know!

And what woman in her right mind would ask a stranger to share one with her?! And then be offended if they didn't want to??

Why didn't the others explain that was a really, really weird thing to do instead of joining in with the name-calling? Wtf is wrong with these people?!

It's so surreal, insane and triggering, that it can only be a trolling function.

What woman would say yes to this request? Not even the most trans friendly trans maiden would say "sure buddy/buddyess, c'mon join me, let's piss away with trans abandon!"

And this perp knows this. Thus he has a bunch of women who are constant victims and targets in his misogynist tirade against the female sex class. And his friends are in on it, or more likely if some are female are tested internally but maintain the face of the mob...groups of bullies always have reluctant members.

It's just the thrill of the troll. And the more you can threaten and troll women in public, the more thrilling it is.

Ditto the erection-bearing, latex-wearing lay-dee at that lesbian speed dating event. Different individual perp, different individual victims...same warp, same effect.

My GF some years back came across a flasher walking home across the park. "Touch it, and I'll go away" was the demand. She didn't react the way he wanted. Back then, this was unacceptable. My point is that this incident in the pub is not different in any meaningful way. Yet had the police got involved, my GFs flasher would have been dealt with, this pub perp would have got kind words and a pat on the back.

Different eras, different attitudes.

turbonerd · 20/08/2023 10:25

NoChanceYouMetalBastard · 19/08/2023 22:21

turbonerd - fascist, no! I was called a hag, hateful and 'a danger' by his pals.

🤔
YOU were the hateful, dangerous hag.
for not wanting to share an intimate space with a lad in a dress?!
Bloody hell. We live in the time of Idiocy.

Piccalillipromises · 20/08/2023 10:04

What on earth?! First of all, what woman shares a cubicle with a female they don't know??! That's just not a thing I've ever heard of! Personally I wouldn't even share with one I did know!

And what woman in her right mind would ask a stranger to share one with her?! And then be offended if they didn't want to??

Why didn't the others explain that was a really, really weird thing to do instead of joining in with the name-calling? Wtf is wrong with these people?!

FroodwithaKaren · 20/08/2023 10:01

Tryingmuchharder · 20/08/2023 09:49

There are more of these stories coming out since lots of pervert men realise that be dressing in a frock they can demand space near women who are using the loo, changing for swimming, sports, clothes shopping, gives the weirdos a chance to perv and all deemed 'perfectly acceptable' by the handmaidens and lots in society who have swallowed the cult ideology that men who 'feel' they are a woman actually are....

Yes. Any woman who is gagging to get her kit off and pee in front of random males is more than welcome to. Her body, her choice, her serious boundary issues/interesting sex life.

She can do it in a third space with those males though and leave other women alone.

Tryingmuchharder · 20/08/2023 09:57

NoChanceYouMetalBastard · 19/08/2023 22:46

Again - why would I make it up? I am usually a reader on this board, not a poster. Simply because I am still learning. I've wanted to post since it happened. Yet apparently I am making it up?

Because some people who follow the ideology will have nothing said against anyone who says they are trans using the trans term to actually perv on women and girls. It's proven that in prison a very high percentage of trans women are sex offenders against women... but who listens to facts in the ideology

Tryingmuchharder · 20/08/2023 09:53

RealityFan · 19/08/2023 23:30

Serious suggestion. Time to alert everyone else in the vicinity. I'm sorry, but this is akin to premeditated assault.

You'd shout out in any other situation you felt at risk, why not this one?

Time to see who amongst Joe and Joanna Public are prepared to stand up and defend a woman under pressure.

Because to do so would cause cries of bigot and transphobe which to some in society is literally worse than murder. There is a huge thing about anyone who says they are trans is and we all have to believe them and take part in their lies. More and more sane people are calling it out. However, a significant number will call you transphobic if you don't buy into the lie, allow access to toilets and changing rooms etc.... university students have really swallowed the trans ideology pill in many areas and have a hissy fit if anyone suggests that you cannot actually change your biological sex - madness has taken over currently.

Tryingmuchharder · 20/08/2023 09:49

NotTerfNorCis · 20/08/2023 09:28

These strange stories keep coming out.

A family friend had an experience very recently with a TW taxi driver in Kent. It was late at night, the taxi driver had come to collect him but due to crossed wires, wouldn't accept he was the customer until he called the taxi company to confirm. Bloke got in the taxi, only to reappear minutes later with a mark on his throat. The driver had grabbed him by the neck and scratched him. He was in a state of shock. But he daren't report it because it'll be his word against the driver, and he could end up being accused of transphobia. It seems he said something critical about the mix-up, and the driver attacked him.

There are more of these stories coming out since lots of pervert men realise that be dressing in a frock they can demand space near women who are using the loo, changing for swimming, sports, clothes shopping, gives the weirdos a chance to perv and all deemed 'perfectly acceptable' by the handmaidens and lots in society who have swallowed the cult ideology that men who 'feel' they are a woman actually are....