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Almut Gadow v Open University (again)

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Signalbox · 18/08/2023 11:20

Obviously I can't link to the crowdfund but this is the text and google is your friend :)

My name is Almut Gadow. For almost 10 years, I taught law at the Open University. I was dismissed for questioning new requirements to indoctrinate students in gender identity theory, in ways which, I felt, distorted equality law and normalised child sexual exploitation.
I am bringing an employment tribunal claim arguing that I was harassed, discriminated against, and unfairly dismissed because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom, and that this breached human rights protections for academic free expression.
Who am I?
I grew up in a family of thought criminals. My grandfather was an undergraduate when the Nazis cleansed academia of wrongthinkers and their ideas. Rather than continue at an ideologically compliant university, he completed his studies at an illicit underground institution. He was then repeatedly tried for speech crimes and eventually sentenced to death by hanging ‘for destructive behaviour through statements in sermons and in dealing with [Nazi] party material’.
I see free speech as a distinguishing feature between democracy and totalitarianism, not a battleground between left and right. My family has seen both German dictatorships, the fascist and the socialist, right and left, suppress speech and purge academia of dissent and dissenters. I hope my daughter can one day go to a university that does not eliminate wrongthink(ers).
My story
In 2021/22 the Open University’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion department announced plans to incorporate its political ideologies into ‘all current curriculum’. The law degree on which I taught was redesigned around a ‘core theme’ of ‘liberating the curriculum’, reflecting these ideologies.
Criminal law tutors were told that, to ‘liberate the curriculum’, our classes now had to introduce diverse gender identities and teach students to use offenders’ preferred pronouns. I questioned if incorporating gender identity theory might be an unnecessary distraction or even unwise. I described gender theory as hotly contested, and as recently developed in wealthy Western countries. I pointed out that (not) believing in gender identity is a protected religious or philosophical belief under the Equality Act 2010, and said law tutorials are no place to promote one's beliefs.
I also highlighted some of the implications of describing offenders according to self-identified gender in our work. I said a criminal lawyer’s role is to present facts, that sex is a relevant fact for offences involving perpetrators’ and/or victims’ bodies, and that no offender should be allowed to dictate the language of his case in a way which masks relevant facts. I said an assailant’s language about himself and his offence should not automatically be adopted over his victim’s, and that lawyers and courts sometimes need to describe offenders in terms with which the latter might not agree – calling the innocent-identifying perpetrator ‘guilty’, or the trans-identifying male ‘he’.
When I raised these questions, in an online forum for law tutors to discuss what they teach, management had no answers. Months later, they were cited as reasons for my dismissal. Managers spuriously alleged that my ‘unreasonable questions’ had created an environment which ‘isn’t inclusive, trans-friendly or respectful’, thus violating the transgender staff policy and codes of conduct. In fact, I had broken no lawful rule by probing the academic soundness of what I was expected to teach.
I further incurred the wrath of the curriculum liberators when I asked them to define their key concepts such as ‘LGBTQ+’. It had become apparent to me that some treated ‘minor attraction’ (i.e. paedophilia) as part of the ‘diverse sexualities and gender identities’ Open University law teaching now seeks to ‘centre’. The criminal law module culminated in an assignment in which students had to discuss a relationship between an adult and a minor. Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.
My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.
My legal case
Assisted at no cost by the Free Speech Union, I am launching a legal claim in the Employment Tribunal. I am arguing that I have been unfairly dismissed, harassed, and discriminated against because I reject gender ideology and believe in academic freedom. My case raises complex points of human rights, academic freedom, free expression and equality law.
‘Academic free expression’ is at the heart of my tribunal case. This concept, set out in a string of judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, encapsulates how article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects academic freedom – not least by prohibiting universities from penalising academics for questioning our institutions or curricula. UK courts have yet to properly consider ECtHR case law on academic free expression. In seeking judicial guidance on this from an English employment tribunal, my case can hopefully entrench these protections in domestic law.
I will also argue that valuing academic freedom is, in itself, a protected belief under the Equality Act. Establishing this in law could protect many other academics whose careers are threatened by the rising tide of intolerance on UK campuses.
Why I need your help
I am crowdfunding to support my employment tribunal claim against the Open University. Akua Reindorf KC, whose name has become almost synonymous with her ground-breaking work on the academic freedom of gender critical academics, will represent me in the tribunal. However, a legal challenge of this type requires an enormous amount of work, which needs to be funded.
The likely total cost of funding this claim up to trial will be around £250,000. Rather than raise the full amount now, I will ‘stretch’ the target as the claim proceeds. This will allow me to provide accurate cost estimates, and will avoid raising more money than I need in order to fund the claim.
Although litigation can be unpredictable, I plan to raise funds at three milestones:

  • Milestone one: £70,000 to cover the cost of the preliminary hearing, disclosure of documents and preparation of a trial bundle.
  • Milestone two: £90,000 covering the drafting of witness statements, potential applications to the Tribunal and for contingency costs in the run-up to trial.
  • Milestone three: £90,000 for the cost of trial including preparation.
All figures include VAT and estimated counsel’s fees. Once the initial target is met, funds raised will be transferred to the Free Speech Union which will hold the money in trust for the payment of fees as they arise. Any unused funds will be returned to CrowdJustice in accordance with its terms. I will update this page throughout to inform you of the progress of my case. If you can, please consider donating, or sharing this page.
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ConnieSaks · 21/08/2023 23:52

@Astoufa why would anyone want to penalise a student who considers possible CC or grooming in a criminal law case? Wtf has the EDI department got to do with this and decide marks should be deducted? Very odd for a criminal law course assignment to be unable to consider all possible crimes - in fact incredibly shocking. With all due respect I get the impression you haven’t studied criminal law?

Personally I am very happy to support Almut and look forward to reading the judgement in this case - there have been some shocking cases in academia recently but this is even further off the scale imo (who knew that was possible!).

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 18:41

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:25

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

And none of us can independently verify what you're saying. Can you post some screenshots of the course material?

You seem very keen to discredit her. Is there a reason for this?

That’s a fair question. I am a gender critical academic so I’m very invested in improving the situation in universities. I got worried when I looked up the assessment and it didn’t seem to match her characterisation - if high profile cases like this turn out to be exaggerated or untrue it will make it harder to convince people there’s an actual problem. I have no personal beef with Almut.

I probably got a bit carried away trying to work out what might have happened - was thinking aloud on the forum and answering questions and trying to explain the module.

Assessments are confidential so pretty sure I can’t post screenshots on a public forum. I can DM them maybe?

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 18:22

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 14:41

But a 17 year old adolescent boy isn’t the same as ‘other men’ because he’s not an adult.

Just thought it weird that you were casually blurring the lines between minors and adults when the discussion is very much about age difference.

Ok fair enough, that wasn’t my intention!

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RealityFan · 21/08/2023 16:06

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 20/08/2023 18:38

Yes, I have been agonising over this as well. I would love to do a postgrad in Psychology/Philosophy or retrain as an allied health professional but I am really scared of encountering all this crap, again. Incidentally. I left my undergrad degree with the OU, in Psychology, due to them shoehorning all this pernicious crap into the curriculum.

I hear you. Luckily I trained as a therapist in the free speech late 80s/early 90s, and despite my association having some tentacles from Stonewall, it's fairly light touch/woke agnostic. I get no mandatory pronouns or Maoist re training edicts.

Similarly I have staff working for me where we have a very laissez faire attitude.

I spent a year in CBT to rinse out my brain and refocus my emotions while learning not to punish myself, and a Philosophy degree/Masters would be a natural place to go.

It's a sad world where my attitude would be applauded by over two millenia of the greatest thinkers in history, yet failed by the intellectual pygmies of today who think they know better.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 14:41

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:19

Fine to replace man with adolescent or young man or male person- the point is there’s no sexual offence. Age of consent has been 16 for gay people too for decades now.

But a 17 year old adolescent boy isn’t the same as ‘other men’ because he’s not an adult.

Just thought it weird that you were casually blurring the lines between minors and adults when the discussion is very much about age difference.

GeraldTheGoodMouse · 21/08/2023 14:39

It is hard to believe that Akua Reindorf would take on a case such as this if it didn't have legs.

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 14:36

As a PP said, Astoufo seems to be spending a considerable amount of time and effort on trying to discredit someone they have no connection with by speculating on stuff they can't see in a subject they know nothing about.
Yup, thankfully some actual you know, lawyers with expertise and access to all the evidence are going to decide how this 'pans out '.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:22

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 13:32

I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

The evidence will be put before the tribunal who will decide. That's the point. That's what I'm happy to contribute to. She is engaging the very best lawyers in the business on this. I trust them to know whether she's got a case, thanks. Not somebody who is happy to admit they are not a lawyer second guessing the marking guidance in a highly complex and academic subject they know nothing about.

Go for it! 😊 Be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 14:19

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 13:30

Are 17 year olds ‘men’? I don’t think they are.

Men are adult human males and adulthood in the U.K. begins at 18.

Fine to replace man with adolescent or young man or male person- the point is there’s no sexual offence. Age of consent has been 16 for gay people too for decades now.

CriticalCondition · 21/08/2023 13:32

I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

The evidence will be put before the tribunal who will decide. That's the point. That's what I'm happy to contribute to. She is engaging the very best lawyers in the business on this. I trust them to know whether she's got a case, thanks. Not somebody who is happy to admit they are not a lawyer second guessing the marking guidance in a highly complex and academic subject they know nothing about.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 13:30

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 13:20

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

So let’s take what Almut says here

“Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.”

As I explained, the assessment actually describes a relationship between a 17 year old and another man. So this should read:

“Students would gain marks by describing two men in a relationship as each others’ boyfriends but lose marks if they considered that two adult men in a relationship were committing a sexual offence or if the older man was grooming the younger man”

The only bit of that I can see as being reasonably objected to is grooming, as 17 is still young. Even so, if it’s not what the question is asking about then it would be reasonable for the marking scheme to reflect that and for the course team to steer tutors and students away from taking that angle.

If I had a tutor who kept accusing me of being a pedophile apologist based on having an included a 17 year old in an assessment, then I might also feel a bit bullied tbh! It’s clear there’s been a lot of conflict and it could well have been dealt with very badly. But that’s light years away from the what’s being presented in her crowd funder.

Are 17 year olds ‘men’? I don’t think they are.

Men are adult human males and adulthood in the U.K. begins at 18.

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:25

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

And none of us can independently verify what you're saying. Can you post some screenshots of the course material?

You seem very keen to discredit her. Is there a reason for this?

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 13:20

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:03

I don’t know what the tuition guidance said or what interactions she had with the module team.

It's on her crowdfunder page and also in the OP.

Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.

My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.

I mean you would be penalised for answering a question about assault liability with a lot of speculation about grooming, because you wouldn’t have answered with the right law to get the marks.

Really? Surely the circumstances are important. If the person who committed the assault was a victim of grooming or coercive control then wouldn't that be relevant?

Sorry I meant I can’t independently verify what the tuition guidance said, like I can with the course material and assessment.

So let’s take what Almut says here

“Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.”

As I explained, the assessment actually describes a relationship between a 17 year old and another man. So this should read:

“Students would gain marks by describing two men in a relationship as each others’ boyfriends but lose marks if they considered that two adult men in a relationship were committing a sexual offence or if the older man was grooming the younger man”

The only bit of that I can see as being reasonably objected to is grooming, as 17 is still young. Even so, if it’s not what the question is asking about then it would be reasonable for the marking scheme to reflect that and for the course team to steer tutors and students away from taking that angle.

If I had a tutor who kept accusing me of being a pedophile apologist based on having an included a 17 year old in an assessment, then I might also feel a bit bullied tbh! It’s clear there’s been a lot of conflict and it could well have been dealt with very badly. But that’s light years away from the what’s being presented in her crowd funder.

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 13:03

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 12:34

Well this is the bit I can’t see! So I don’t know what the tuition guidance said or what interactions she had with the module team.

A lot of assessment guidance for students is about making sure they answer the question set. None of the course from what I can see is about sexual offences against children, so it’s very possible they were just saying that’s not relevant because it’s not the curriculum they are being tested on. They likely would have wanted tutors to keep students focused on the explicit issues in the case and they curriculum they’d learnt- rather than start speculating about when the relationship started and if Josh was underage etc. I mean you would be penalised for answering a question about assault liability with a lot of speculation about grooming, because you wouldn’t have answered with the right law to get the marks. That doesn’t mean grooming doesn’t matter!

Clearly there has been conflict with the module team and I don’t know what happened there. It’s quite possible she was badly treated. It’s just that the rest of her story seems to have so many holes that so I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

I don’t know what the tuition guidance said or what interactions she had with the module team.

It's on her crowdfunder page and also in the OP.

Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence.

My request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct. Curriculum liberators complained that it had made them feel undermined, harassed, bullied and reputationally damaged. In fact, asking colleagues to explain core concepts of their output is just part of everyday academic work, but curriculum liberators were unable to do so here.

I mean you would be penalised for answering a question about assault liability with a lot of speculation about grooming, because you wouldn’t have answered with the right law to get the marks.

Really? Surely the circumstances are important. If the person who committed the assault was a victim of grooming or coercive control then wouldn't that be relevant?

Boomboom22 · 21/08/2023 12:38

Wow, perhaps the OU should be stopped and shut down now. This in a law course is worse than LSE and that is saying something. Completely unfit for purpose.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 12:34

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 12:15

Why are the students penalised for considering the possibility that one of the people might have been under 16?

Why was the lecturer disciplined for asking for clarification?

Well this is the bit I can’t see! So I don’t know what the tuition guidance said or what interactions she had with the module team.

A lot of assessment guidance for students is about making sure they answer the question set. None of the course from what I can see is about sexual offences against children, so it’s very possible they were just saying that’s not relevant because it’s not the curriculum they are being tested on. They likely would have wanted tutors to keep students focused on the explicit issues in the case and they curriculum they’d learnt- rather than start speculating about when the relationship started and if Josh was underage etc. I mean you would be penalised for answering a question about assault liability with a lot of speculation about grooming, because you wouldn’t have answered with the right law to get the marks. That doesn’t mean grooming doesn’t matter!

Clearly there has been conflict with the module team and I don’t know what happened there. It’s quite possible she was badly treated. It’s just that the rest of her story seems to have so many holes that so I wouldn’t trust her account now without more evidence.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 12:15

The OU uses a different grading system- a 68 is a 2:2 equivalent. 85+ is a first. 70-84 is a 2:1.

So 68 is a good mark elsewhere but for a student consistently getting firsts it’s like suddenly dropping to a 55.

It may well have been a fair mark, but you can’t compare numbers directly between OU and other unis.

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 12:15

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 12:10

Yeah if it took place two years before- but that’s a big if and is never stated! It could be two months earlier. I can’t see why first year law students learning about the criminal justice system for the first time would know the usual timescale from incident to trial. I imagine ages aren’t stated in the first scenario because the course team hadn’t prepared for the possibility that someone would assume they are promoting pedophilia. If Josh was meant to be under 16, pretty sure that would have been made explicit.

Stepping back, I think it’s good to consider what is the more likely scenario:

  1. the people who set this assignment have a secret agenda to normalise pedophilia. Their strategy for doing this is to teach absolutely nothing in the whole course about pedophilia or constructions of sexuality, or any academic theory used by the (very very very few) academic pedo apologists who do exist. Instead they write a case study involving a gay relationship where one party is 17. For this to effectively normalise pedophilia the students would have to a) independently know the usual timescale between an incident and trial and b) spend enough time thinking about their assessment case study to notice that this means that this relationship MAY have started when one party was under 16 (but may not have). The team rub their hands at this cunning plan.
  2. OR- the course team need to come up with a case study which includes lots of different factors which can impact criminal liability and which test knowledge of the criminal justice. One of these factors is age, so they make one person in the case study 17. They pick this age as it makes the person both a minor legally and over the age of consent.

I know which I think is more likely.

Why are the students penalised for considering the possibility that one of the people might have been under 16?

Why was the lecturer disciplined for asking for clarification?

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 12:10

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 11:10

And if the first incident happened two years earlier, it could be a relationship between a 15 year old and a 40 year old. And yet when Almut suggested this possibility she says her "request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct".

If the younger man is at least 16 at the time of the first incident, why not just state this and remove all doubt?

Yeah if it took place two years before- but that’s a big if and is never stated! It could be two months earlier. I can’t see why first year law students learning about the criminal justice system for the first time would know the usual timescale from incident to trial. I imagine ages aren’t stated in the first scenario because the course team hadn’t prepared for the possibility that someone would assume they are promoting pedophilia. If Josh was meant to be under 16, pretty sure that would have been made explicit.

Stepping back, I think it’s good to consider what is the more likely scenario:

  1. the people who set this assignment have a secret agenda to normalise pedophilia. Their strategy for doing this is to teach absolutely nothing in the whole course about pedophilia or constructions of sexuality, or any academic theory used by the (very very very few) academic pedo apologists who do exist. Instead they write a case study involving a gay relationship where one party is 17. For this to effectively normalise pedophilia the students would have to a) independently know the usual timescale between an incident and trial and b) spend enough time thinking about their assessment case study to notice that this means that this relationship MAY have started when one party was under 16 (but may not have). The team rub their hands at this cunning plan.
  2. OR- the course team need to come up with a case study which includes lots of different factors which can impact criminal liability and which test knowledge of the criminal justice. One of these factors is age, so they make one person in the case study 17. They pick this age as it makes the person both a minor legally and over the age of consent.

I know which I think is more likely.

RealityFan · 21/08/2023 11:34

Has this person posted here since that one?
I'm finding a constant on Mumsnet.

TRA types who's only joy in life is to troll and try and school women here on feminism and linguistic somersaults.

And others, TRAs likely as well, who just drop a grenade and then never return.

You're both unwelcome, go back to Trans/Reddit where the lack of illumination suits you better.

Almosthadenoughacademic · 21/08/2023 11:29

RealityFan · 20/08/2023 12:37

ALL your marks before, were 93%? ALL?
Really? That's not just an exceptionally high average, that's an exceptionally high lowest mark, you always got between 93% and 100%.

And this lecturer alone marked you unusually low (only in comparison), however, 68% is still very high, and a more typical excellent grade. And then one at 88%.

Yes, due diligence is a good suggestion. To her story. And to yours.

Agreed. I've marked students who have came in from OU degrees (I'm an academic in a UK uni) and they have always been inflated - ie a first class OU student turns into a low 2:1 (which, btw is a perfectly good mark). I guess that the 68 was a more accurate reflection of the work, and I repeat, still a very good mark.

OldCrone · 21/08/2023 11:10

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 10:45

Yeah that’s the bit that shocked me which is why I looked up the assessment. The only age mentioned in the assessment is 17. So the case study involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a man of undisclosed age, presumably at least 18 as he seems to have adult legal liability. It seems weird to object to describing these men as boyfriends? This could be a relationship between a 17 and an 18 year old.

And if the first incident happened two years earlier, it could be a relationship between a 15 year old and a 40 year old. And yet when Almut suggested this possibility she says her "request for clarification was spuriously described as further misconduct".

If the younger man is at least 16 at the time of the first incident, why not just state this and remove all doubt?

anyolddinosaur · 21/08/2023 11:07

If the age of the adult is not given why would someone be marked down for considering the possibility of grooming? It could equally be a relationship between a 17 year old and a 50 year old.

Almut Gadow says they sought clarification and that was seen as bad.

Astoufo · 21/08/2023 10:45

anyolddinosaur · 21/08/2023 10:13

"The criminal law module culminated in an assignment in which students had to discuss a relationship between an adult and a minor. Students would gain marks by describing child and adult as each other’s ‘boyfriends’, but lose marks if they considered whether the adult was grooming the child or committing a sexual offence."

This is the part that encouraged me to donate.

Yeah that’s the bit that shocked me which is why I looked up the assessment. The only age mentioned in the assessment is 17. So the case study involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a man of undisclosed age, presumably at least 18 as he seems to have adult legal liability. It seems weird to object to describing these men as boyfriends? This could be a relationship between a 17 and an 18 year old.

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