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BookThatMatter exclude "terfs"

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LonelyFlans · 17/08/2023 12:57

BooksThatMatter are a book subscription service that focus on books by female writers. They went on dragons den and ended up refusing funding as they didn't want to compromise this. All good.

They've always been lib fem but you could choose to ignore that if you still wanted to support a female-focused business.

However they've just rebranded as AphraBookClub and in the introductory Instagram post they've clearly stated "no terfs". When some women pointed out that this is offensive, they've stated that "terfs are swiftly being blocked".

How very disappointing.

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TrainedByCats · 02/09/2023 10:01

This is one time I’m fine with being excluded, they sound like juvenile illiterate over-privileged teenagers

Mingomang · 18/08/2023 00:04

From reading the comments on their Insta page, this company is broke af (slay!) and no doubt could not fund any costs/damages they may be ordered to pay.

literalviolence · 17/08/2023 22:42

GC beliefs are legally protected so I expect that a court case against this awful company might have a reasonable chance of success. Can any legal experts tell us if that might be possible? I do think this kind of bigotry needs calling out in the courts.

AppropriateAdult · 17/08/2023 22:30

Terf issues aside, they sound tedious af, babes.

MavisMcMinty · 17/08/2023 22:27

I belonged to a horse book club for several years. I did read them all, but only once. Mainly hardbacks with beautiful photographs, I still have them all, neglected and unlooked at for decades. I kept meaning to unsubscribe but in those days it meant writing a LETTER and all sorts of other old-fangled nonsense.

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 17/08/2023 22:22

FKATondelayo · 17/08/2023 22:10

I read about 20 - 30 books a month.

Slacker.

Well I do like to add slacking to my passive toddler like behaviour

FKATondelayo · 17/08/2023 22:10

I read about 20 - 30 books a month.

Slacker.

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 17/08/2023 21:44

FKATondelayo · 17/08/2023 21:31

I don't get book subscriptions - I'm not really sure why you'd want to outsource your reading selection once you get past toddlerhood or the national curriculum. It seems quite passive when most book readers I know (I am in a couple of book clubs) have very clear ideas about what stories they like to read or who they trust to recommend them.

I read about 20 - 30 books a month. Sometimes it's nice to have the decision outsourced for awhile to change up your reading a bit. Having 1 book a month chosen by someone else when you are choosing the other 19-29 isn't really that passive.

It's more like being in a book club where one of the other members has chosen 1 of the books you read that month.

FKATondelayo · 17/08/2023 21:31

I don't get book subscriptions - I'm not really sure why you'd want to outsource your reading selection once you get past toddlerhood or the national curriculum. It seems quite passive when most book readers I know (I am in a couple of book clubs) have very clear ideas about what stories they like to read or who they trust to recommend them.

WinterTrees · 17/08/2023 20:16

Random789 · 17/08/2023 18:28

How strange to have a 'female focus' and to talk about the "pale and stale book industry". Isn't the expression "pale, male and stale"? Someone obvs has a residual reluctance when it comes to positioning males as the fundamental problem.

I thought the same.

Pale, male and stale - used to highlight industries dominated by white men of a certain age. By missing out the 'male' bit they seem to have revealed that their 'feminist' book club is fully inclusive of men but has a problem with disgusting geriatrics of maybe 30+

MavisMcMinty · 17/08/2023 20:05

I probably read men and women authors equally, but I can tell you that I RARELY see my male partner picking up one of my books by a woman. In fact the only one I can think of is Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel, and that’s probably because his sister had recommended it to me.

2Rebecca · 17/08/2023 20:00

I read a lot of women authors but would feel restricted if I signed up to an only women package especially one excluding proper feminists

DuesToTheDirt · 17/08/2023 19:57

I do gravitate to women authors, actually, I'm not sure why.

2Rebecca · 17/08/2023 19:55

Do many women really just want "women" authors especially when being a woman is just about how you think not being female? I'm currently reading a book on Mao's cultural revolution ( very pertinent to the cancelling nonsense of today) and really don't care someone with a penis wrote it. It's a good but depressing book. Mao was an awful narc

MavisMcMinty · 17/08/2023 19:47

DuesToTheDirt · 17/08/2023 19:27

Well they're too right on for me... "cute af packaging"? Hmm. And I had to look up "stan", I thought at first it was a misspelling like "existance" (which is not a great look for a book service).

"terfs...deny the existance of women", what does that even mean?

I THINK they mean we deny the existence/ance of TW as women. But when you fuck around so much with language you’re going to be misunderstood.

ReeseWitherfork · 17/08/2023 19:39

DuesToTheDirt · 17/08/2023 19:27

Well they're too right on for me... "cute af packaging"? Hmm. And I had to look up "stan", I thought at first it was a misspelling like "existance" (which is not a great look for a book service).

"terfs...deny the existance of women", what does that even mean?

”Stan” comes from the Eminem song (of the same name) whereby the character of Stan obsesses over Eminem and gets so distraught that he doesn’t get the returned attention that he feels he deserves, that he kills himself and his pregnant girlfriend.

The thought of TRA “stanning” women is a bit iffy when you break it down to that level. (Although, I’m not entirely sure if gen z - or whoever adopted the word - have actually listened to the lyrics of that song.)

Meanacademic · 17/08/2023 19:33

LinkedIn profile of head girl, sorry, company director:
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/molly-masters-📚-482386144

DuesToTheDirt · 17/08/2023 19:27

Well they're too right on for me... "cute af packaging"? Hmm. And I had to look up "stan", I thought at first it was a misspelling like "existance" (which is not a great look for a book service).

"terfs...deny the existance of women", what does that even mean?

aweegc · 17/08/2023 19:21

I take offence on the service's behalf.

"She"? Did they just assume the service's pronouns?

Wow. They'd better put on the terf hat and banish themselves.

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 17/08/2023 19:18

I was a customer of theirs before they didn't send my order 3 months in a row and continued to take payments after I asked to cancel

That was before their terf comment which I did see on Instagram. I'm glad I'm not a customer now

Whattheactualwhatnow · 17/08/2023 19:06

What a shame. Just seen their post. They sound ridiculous. Crossed off the list.

Soubriquet · 17/08/2023 18:43

We should all ban together and create books exclusively for terfs. Except we would probably have the police at the door.

So why are they allowed to do this

ReeseWitherfork · 17/08/2023 18:34

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 17/08/2023 16:19

You may find the VIDA count interesting.

Yes, women are well represented in publishing, but in certain areas. Some fields are less open to them, and they tend to get fewer reviews. Some of the most prestigious journals don't reflect the numbers of women in publishing. NYRB and the LRB, for example.

https://www.vidaweb.org/the-count/

This is indeed interesting, thanks for sharing. I didn’t know this existed. Their latest data is from 2019; I believe the shift to “more women published” has only been the case since 2020 so it’ll be interesting to see what their latest data shows. (Something tells me it won’t necessary be reflected, maybe one day!)

Whatsnewpussyhat · 17/08/2023 18:33

How old is their target market? They sound so bloody childish.

Let's see, we will exclude all the women who know men can't be women, call them names and depend on a tiny % of the population of genderists as our customer base.

Funny that they know Page is a female author though eh.