Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

£1 million prize offered for anyone who can provide a clear example of a transphobic J.K. Rowling quote

233 replies

miri1985 · 14/08/2023 02:07

As the title says, a million pounds is being offered by Distance Magazine https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

"To win the Steve Wardlaw Prize™, an entrant must demonstrate that the cited statement by J.K. Rowling does not involve a rights conflict. That is, the cited statement must materially detract from the human rights of ‘transgender people’ without simultaneously arguing for the rights of another group, such as women, children, or people with faith traditions."

They've named the prize after Steve Wardlaw who I've never heard of but his pinned tweet is an apology to Alison Bailey

We Will Award Steve Wardlaw £1 Million For The Elusive 'Anti-Trans' J.K. Rowling Quote

He has assured us that it exists

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
popebishop · 14/08/2023 15:37

FannyCann · 14/08/2023 14:07

Funnily enough I have just finished reading The Silkworm, no 2 in the Strike series. Reason being I had watched the programmes and thought it not worth reading the books since I knew the plot. But I so enjoyed Troubled Blood (Ink Black Heart less so, it was so hard keeping up with on line names and IRL names - I should have kept a spreadsheet) so I've gone back to catch up while waiting for the next instalment in the series.
Anyway I enjoyed the Silkworm very much.
And was quite surprised as there IS a trans woman in the book, who, apart from attacking Strike is portrayed very sympathetically with some background explanation along the way. The book was published in 2014 and it made me realise JKR has been researching this for a long time. Way before I knew of the GRA , proposed self ID and climbed that mountain.

Evidence of understanding and background knowledge but definitely no transphobia. And it made me smile as the TRAs made such a fuss about the character in Troubled Blood but clearly haven't read the earlier books.

Of all the many, many, many illogical randomnities of the TRAs, for some reason I think this confuses me up the most.

They don't have to pretend that JKR only wrote about a trans character in the Strike books when they mention this man who briefly wore a woman's coat BECAUSE THERE IS A WHOLE TRANS CHARACTER WITH A STORYLINE in a previous book! It's so weird.

The TV shows don't do any of the books justice imo - I think they are a good watch and the characters are well cast, but the books have so much more to them.

@EnjoythemoneyJane eh ehhh wrong answer. Only one kind of women has feelings, at least feelings that you need to respect...

nepeta · 14/08/2023 15:33

I finally understood why the TRAs argue so firmly that Rowling has made transphobic comments. It's because their ideology is a secular-religious one where disagreeing with the basic tenets is heresy and heresy is called transphobia.

The most basic tenet of that secular-religion is that transwomen are women, transmen are men, and nonbinary are what they say they are. So sex is erased, everyone identifies as sexist stereotypes or by assigning them to the other labels, in the case of enbies.

Only fully accepting that, and the total chaos it causes in worldwide redefinition of everything to do with women, women's rights, sex-based oppression (presumably disappearing now sex can't be mentioned) and so on would save a person from being a transphobe.

mrshoho · 14/08/2023 15:29

Fucking brilliant 👏

Typz · 14/08/2023 15:28

Great article.

It continues to astonish and depress me how much some men hate women. They hate Jo Rowling more than any other woman, not for anything she has said or done, but because she is richer than them, because she is more powerful than them, and because she does not say what they tell her to or care what they think.

Misogynist men absolutely cannot stand rich women, or powerful women, or women who have opinions.

We are seeing an explosion of misogyny in the generation of men who had unlimited access to the internet as teens. It’s almost like a steady diet of violent porn has shaped how men view women 😔

SaleOfTwoTitties · 14/08/2023 15:13

Why won't my phone actually let me type 'come'.
Transphobia?

SaleOfTwoTitties · 14/08/2023 15:10

Ooh, I love this. Cone on all ye monitors.

SageHoney · 14/08/2023 15:00

... the cited statement must materially detract from the human rights of ‘transgender people’ without simultaneously arguing for the rights of another group, such as women, children, or people with faith traditions."

There's the rub, though - according to misogynists in our misogyny-drenched culture, it's necessary and right to argue against the "so-called" rights of women because they are structurally and systemically overprivileged in our society (and according to some, in all societies). Therefore, they'll claim, the very framing of THIS challenge is "bigoted" and "transphobic".

Women are a majority, after all! (And some of them are even white!) And Rowling herself is proof that they are colossally privileged. Why does SHE have all that money and I don't? How dare she stand upon for herself and protect her safety, her family, and her work? The people that threaten and attack her don't have the resources to respond to (for example) the type of lawsuit she can fund - she's punching down! So much for "intersectionality".

See also: "there's no such thing as women's sex-based rights." Repeat a fictitious mantra often enough and confidently enough and eventually a not insignificant percentage of (possibly even well-meaning) uninformed people will believe you and even repeat it too.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/08/2023 14:52

ApocalipstickNow · 14/08/2023 14:00

You have to read it backwards, then not only is it transphobic but it also says “it’s fun to smoke marijuana” and “I buried Paul.”

(nods wisely)

Oh, god, I remember that!!!

EdithStourton · 14/08/2023 14:47

<pulls up chair>
This should be exciting!

EnjoythemoneyJane · 14/08/2023 14:30

popebishop · 14/08/2023 10:33

I'll do my own - £3.50 of Tesco clubcard vouchers to anyone who can define 'woman', not including all of us who know it's 'adult female', of course....

Ooh, ooh, I know! A woman is a person with lady feelings. Shall I dm you where to send my vouchers?

FannyCann · 14/08/2023 14:07

Funnily enough I have just finished reading The Silkworm, no 2 in the Strike series. Reason being I had watched the programmes and thought it not worth reading the books since I knew the plot. But I so enjoyed Troubled Blood (Ink Black Heart less so, it was so hard keeping up with on line names and IRL names - I should have kept a spreadsheet) so I've gone back to catch up while waiting for the next instalment in the series.
Anyway I enjoyed the Silkworm very much.
And was quite surprised as there IS a trans woman in the book, who, apart from attacking Strike is portrayed very sympathetically with some background explanation along the way. The book was published in 2014 and it made me realise JKR has been researching this for a long time. Way before I knew of the GRA , proposed self ID and climbed that mountain.

Evidence of understanding and background knowledge but definitely no transphobia. And it made me smile as the TRAs made such a fuss about the character in Troubled Blood but clearly haven't read the earlier books.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/08/2023 14:00

You have to read it backwards, then not only is it transphobic but it also says “it’s fun to smoke marijuana” and “I buried Paul.”

(nods wisely)

FannyCann · 14/08/2023 13:55

Maybe Oxfam can come up with a prizewinning answer. Since many people have cancelled regular donations and no longer use the shops I'm sure they could do with a million to top up their funds.

QueenHippolyta · 14/08/2023 13:47

LoobiJee · 14/08/2023 06:22

Thanks for sharing. There are some interesting articles on that website. The one about Andrea Dworkin’s account of a conversation with poet Allen Ginsberg was an eye opener.

Wow I just read the Dworkin article on Ginsburg, what a horrible horrible man...
The website is excellent.

Shodan · 14/08/2023 13:38

@JoodyBlue I think I can clear that up for you.

The sentence might have read as 'they may have worn a women's coat' but what it actually said , if you turned it upside down and wore the special spectacles, was 'My name is J K Rowling and I'm a massive transphobe'.

It's like those people who said they could hear demonic messages in records that were played backwards. Only True Believers can read the real words.

JoodyBlue · 14/08/2023 13:28

The vox piece is completely untruthful in its assertion that Troubled Blood, the Strike novel, portrays a character that dresses in women's clothes with a view to attacking. I've read the novel and so have many others and can't find this at all. I think there is a single sentence where a witness reports that the character they saw may have worn a woman's coat but couldn't be sure. This is really scraping the barrel to come up with nothing. Sadly there will be idiots who believe this rubbish.

RocketPanda · 14/08/2023 13:25

Hey JKR, I don't know if you read these here threads ( of course you do, why wouldn't you, we're a hoot in here) if you wouldn't mind can you post something that only I can see so I can claim the prize? It's been a shite summer and I just got my electricity bill and I had to let a bus load of elderly tourists use my loo yesterday and I've no toilet roll left.

MavisMcMinty · 14/08/2023 13:09

Shame this prize wasn’t offered at the time JKR’s infamous essay was published. I was so naive that I believed when people said it and she were transphobic then it and she must be. I couldn’t see it myself, and I read that essay over and over again trying to find the fear and hatred and discrimination I was assured were all in there.

No wonder people don’t get involved in the debate, it’s all so deliberately baffling.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 14/08/2023 13:03

Oh how delicious. I shall patiently await someone claiming their prize. I mean, surely it's easy.

GrumpyPanda · 14/08/2023 12:52

There can't be a rights conflict because doncha know, TWAW.

AutumnCrow · 14/08/2023 12:50

ApocalipstickNow · 14/08/2023 09:54

Well if anyone can decode the cryptic meaning behind her words I still reckon they should win Dusty Bin rather than the holiday.

The skies are blue and the grass is green
hang on to your hats and prepare to be seen

'Ok so "hats" - think of hats - what types of hat are there? Sun hats! And then "seen", hmmm, seen, spell it another way and you get Sean! Think of a famous Sean, that's right, Sean Connery, who starred in Dr No ... which was set in? The Caribbean!

'Now fuck off with your bin.'

MorrisZapp · 14/08/2023 12:49

Oh god this is brilliant!

DialSquare · 14/08/2023 12:43

I wonder if ContraPoints is on a spending spree yet!

lechiffre55 · 14/08/2023 12:40

Has anyone tried to claim the prize with "just google it"?