Page 4 | £1 million prize offered for anyone who can provide a clear example of a transphobic J.K. Rowling quote

miri1985 · 2023-08-14T01:07:06+00:00

As the title says, a million pounds is being offered by Distance Magazine [[https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web]] "To win the Steve Wardlaw Prize™, an entrant must demonstrate that the cited statement by J.K. Rowling does not involve a ^rights conflict^. That is, the cited statement must materially detract from the human rights of ‘transgender people’ without simultaneously arguing for the rights of another group, such as women, children, or people with faith traditions." They've named the prize after Steve Wardlaw who I've never heard of but his pinned tweet is an apology to Alison Bailey

AutumnCrow · 16/08/2023 21:21

MavisMcMinty · 16/08/2023 21:14

Everything JKR writes is actually two entirely separate tweets/essays/novels, but one is written in lemon juice, and only TRAs know how to hold the screen/paper up to a hot light bulb to reveal her secret transphobic diatribes.

That will be £1,000,000, thangyew.

Or an ancient palimpsest. You need both UV and infra-red lamps to see both texts, one lying over the other.

MavisMcMinty · 16/08/2023 21:14

Everything JKR writes is actually two entirely separate tweets/essays/novels, but one is written in lemon juice, and only TRAs know how to hold the screen/paper up to a hot light bulb to reveal her secret transphobic diatribes.

That will be £1,000,000, thangyew.

Mochudubh · 16/08/2023 21:11

I do not like thee, JKR.
No evidence I have so far
But transphobic I know you are
I do not like thee JKR.

popebishop · 16/08/2023 21:11

The op literally describes the "transphobia" they are looking for. You don't need to guess or make it up or claim that you know another woman's mind more than she does! You could just save yourself a load of bother and... read the words!

(Just kidding, I know engaging rationally will never happen)

Helleofabore · 16/08/2023 21:08

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:19

I’m going to get my head torn off for saying this but she has made multiple transphobic comments. She wrote an entire book with a transphobic premise. However you choose to not recognise her actions as transphobic due to your personal opinions. Transphobia isn’t just calling somebody a slur, it’s much deeper than that. Just because she hasn’t said she hates trans people, doesn’t mean that she isn’t transphobic. Transphobia and antisemitism seem to be the two most socially accepted forms of discrimination. I hope in years to come, some of you will look back at your actions in distaste!

errr! I didn’t think eresh was missing the point.

What part of paranoid is starting a post with ‘I’m going to get my head torn off for saying this but’.

Paranoid and hyperbolic from what I can see.

Still! Please do submit your findings! Good luck.

lechiffre55 · 16/08/2023 21:08

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:29

I think pp might be slightly confused. Having your ‘head torn off’ is a turn of phrase. The point of what I was saying was whatever transphobic jargon JKR comes out with, you won’t see it as transphobic because you’ve been brainwashed into believing that trans women erode your rights. If I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic. You live in this echo chamber that means you are impossible to reason with. The paranoia on this board is phenomenal.

It's a bit of a dramatic turn of phrase, as is the word brainwashed.
Who decides what is and isn't transphobic? When two people disagree on what is transphobic which one is right?
I believe you probably live in your own echo chamber that has different views.
You can reason here, you'll just need to use logic and make a rational argument.
Your claim of paranoia is just more hyperbole.

Here's an example of rationality:
A small proportion of people who claim to be trans women are sexual predators using the trans label/shield to enable their predatory behaviour.
There is no mechanism or clause that helps separate these predators from the non predator trans women in the trans manifesto. The mantra is "anyone who identifies as a woman". This is the crux of the problem.
A single example out of many is the rapist(s) in prison who want to be around women so claim to be trans. e.g. Isla Bryson.
If pro trans lobby people said "Yeah that is a problem. Lets work together to establish some rules and boundaries to sort the good from the bad. Lets work out something that works for both sides." A lot of GC women would happily engage in that in good faith. Progress would be made.
But instead the trans lobby says "Fuck you TERFS!".
For some reason the fuck you TERFS language does not go down well with women, I wonder why.
When someone asks is Isla Bryson a man or a woman, replying their gender is "rapist" doen't help. It signals that the person answering is unable to answer because they are caught between misgendering a rapist, or looking fukking stupid on TV ( hint they already look stupid ). Women watching this see the rapist who raped two women as having a higher rights priority than they do. This makes them very unhappy, I wonder why.
When the pro trans lobby works out a way to accept that women have rights at least equal to rapists, preferrably higher, then dialogue can happen. Once ernest good faith dialogue starts to happen you will get much better results than "fuck you TERFS" because you know what the TERFS are winning right now. They don't call the UK TERF Island because the TERFS are losing.
The trans rights lobby needs to acknowledge that there are some people ( a minority ) who claim to be trans for bad reasons. Once there are protections for women and children from the bad actors the road for the trans activism will be much easier, pleasant, and coperative.
I personally see trans activism as different from trans people. I believe most trans people just try and avoid the fight and live their lives the best they can while not harming anyone. The trans activists I see as a religious group who believe that it's impossible for any human to lie about their motives for doing something despite the evidence of politicians existing, and that every person who claims to be trans is an angel including Adam the meaty rapist as DNK likes to call him.

Start to engage in genuine good faith dialogue or continue to lose on a daily basis, the choice is yours.

popebishop · 16/08/2023 21:07

She wrote an entire book with a transphobic premise.

Is this the same bloody nonsensical thing we were laughing about earlier?!

screentimehelpplease · 16/08/2023 21:03

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:29

I think pp might be slightly confused. Having your ‘head torn off’ is a turn of phrase. The point of what I was saying was whatever transphobic jargon JKR comes out with, you won’t see it as transphobic because you’ve been brainwashed into believing that trans women erode your rights. If I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic. You live in this echo chamber that means you are impossible to reason with. The paranoia on this board is phenomenal.

Please PLEASE can you actually show us evidence that JKR is transphobic. Show us actual quotes or statements that she has made.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 21:02

And the word for an adult human male isn't "woman".

Chersfrozenface · 16/08/2023 21:00

Transwomen have always been, are now and will always be male, since human sex is binary and immutable.

Also, the Earth travels round the Sun and is a sphere.

Just facts.

MavisMcMinty · 16/08/2023 21:00

AutumnCrow · 16/08/2023 20:20

I don't think we have a winner yet.

I can only assume you posted this before seeing the post above yours, made just a minute earlier:

I’m going to get my head torn off for saying this but she has made multiple transphobic comments. She wrote an entire book with a transphobic premise. However you choose to not recognise her actions as transphobic due to your personal opinions. Transphobia isn’t just calling somebody a slur, it’s much deeper than that. Just because she hasn’t said she hates trans people, doesn’t mean that she isn’t transphobic. Transphobia and antisemitism seem to be the two most socially accepted forms of discrimination. I hope in years to come, some of you will look back at your actions in distaste!

Because that’s million pound evidence in my book.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 20:57

Not seeing any quotes, @Whatsthepoint1234

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 20:55

I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic

Oh dear, most of the population of the world is transphobic then. Oh well.

Apollo441 · 16/08/2023 20:54

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:29

I think pp might be slightly confused. Having your ‘head torn off’ is a turn of phrase. The point of what I was saying was whatever transphobic jargon JKR comes out with, you won’t see it as transphobic because you’ve been brainwashed into believing that trans women erode your rights. If I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic. You live in this echo chamber that means you are impossible to reason with. The paranoia on this board is phenomenal.

Oh go on, reason with us. I'd like to see what you think passes for reason because nothing I've seen from the TRA side so far contains logic, science or truth.

HarrietJet · 16/08/2023 20:48

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:29

I think pp might be slightly confused. Having your ‘head torn off’ is a turn of phrase. The point of what I was saying was whatever transphobic jargon JKR comes out with, you won’t see it as transphobic because you’ve been brainwashed into believing that trans women erode your rights. If I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic. You live in this echo chamber that means you are impossible to reason with. The paranoia on this board is phenomenal.

We're not even slightly confused, no. Or illiterate either 🤣

CantThinkOfANameAtAll · 16/08/2023 20:46

She has made multiple transphobic comments. She wrote an entire book with a transphobic premise. However you choose to not recognise her actions as transphobic due to your personal opinions. Transphobia isn’t just calling somebody a slur, it’s much deeper than that. Just because she hasn’t said she hates trans people, doesn’t mean that she isn’t transphobic. Transphobia and antisemitism seem to be the two most socially accepted forms of discrimination. I hope in years to come, some of you will look back at your actions in distaste!

I really really wish drugs weren't being decriminalised. It would be nice not to see such drivel all the time 🙄

Brefugee · 16/08/2023 20:41

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:19

I’m going to get my head torn off for saying this but she has made multiple transphobic comments. She wrote an entire book with a transphobic premise. However you choose to not recognise her actions as transphobic due to your personal opinions. Transphobia isn’t just calling somebody a slur, it’s much deeper than that. Just because she hasn’t said she hates trans people, doesn’t mean that she isn’t transphobic. Transphobia and antisemitism seem to be the two most socially accepted forms of discrimination. I hope in years to come, some of you will look back at your actions in distaste!

show don't tell

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/08/2023 20:37

But but surely Val ‘TWAW’ McDermaid couldn’t have written anything as transphobic as to have a trans serial killer???

Chersfrozenface · 16/08/2023 20:35

The "transphobic premise" thing..

Are people getting mixed up with another author from Scotland, Val McDermid, and the novel 'The Mermaids Singing'?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/08/2023 20:35

TW ie men do erode women’s rights. The moment a TW man turns up in a women’s single sex space it ceases to be single sex so our right is removed

case in point. Hampstead ponds used to be mens pond single sex, ladies pond single sex & a mixed one for either sex. Thanks to TRA there are now a men’s single sex pond, and 2 mixed ponds as the ladies pond now admits men with lady feels. Of course the needs of orthodox Jewish women or Muslim women who can’t swim in a mixed sex pond don’t count. As long as TW men get what they want

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMariaa · 16/08/2023 20:34

An entire book with a transphobic theme? Is it Deathly Hallows?

Snape wears a women like smock in Deathly hallows flashback and Harry inwardly judges him.

Voldemort is constantly described as without love, operates alone, shuns Bellatrix come ons (so a big evil asexual)

Dumbledore and Grindalwald use 'literal violence' and kill Ariana.

Or some such

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:33

@Ereshkigalangcleg Either you are illiterate or taking the piss and I think I know what it might be…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 20:32

Still no quote though?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2023 20:31

"Having your head torn off" is an extremely melodramatic and hyperbolic turn of phrase for "some people disagreeing with you on the internet" so it appears the paranoia is all yours, @Whatsthepoint1234

Helleofabore · 16/08/2023 20:31

Whatsthepoint1234 · 16/08/2023 20:29

I think pp might be slightly confused. Having your ‘head torn off’ is a turn of phrase. The point of what I was saying was whatever transphobic jargon JKR comes out with, you won’t see it as transphobic because you’ve been brainwashed into believing that trans women erode your rights. If I said that I didn’t believe that trans women were women you’d agree with that despite the fact that statement itself is transphobic. You live in this echo chamber that means you are impossible to reason with. The paranoia on this board is phenomenal.

I think your projection ability is phenomenal!