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£1 million prize offered for anyone who can provide a clear example of a transphobic J.K. Rowling quote

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miri1985 · 14/08/2023 02:07

As the title says, a million pounds is being offered by Distance Magazine https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

"To win the Steve Wardlaw Prize™, an entrant must demonstrate that the cited statement by J.K. Rowling does not involve a rights conflict. That is, the cited statement must materially detract from the human rights of ‘transgender people’ without simultaneously arguing for the rights of another group, such as women, children, or people with faith traditions."

They've named the prize after Steve Wardlaw who I've never heard of but his pinned tweet is an apology to Alison Bailey

We Will Award Steve Wardlaw £1 Million For The Elusive 'Anti-Trans' J.K. Rowling Quote

He has assured us that it exists

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/we-will-award-steve-wardlaw-1-million?r=uglk

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popebishop · 25/08/2023 21:38

porridgecake · 25/08/2023 13:05

I was told by a young woman a couple of days ago that segregating by biological sex (as in single sex toilets, changing rooms, refuges etc for biological women) is the same as racism in the 50s in USA.
I offered her a copy of Irreversible Damage, after talking about puberty blockers and surgery. She didn't want to read anything written by a transphobe.
Absolutely brainwashed.
This is a a young woman educated to degree level.

So which race does she believe commits nearly all sexual crime? She must believe that for her analogy to work.

The amount of people that come out with this racist bull is astonishing.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 25/08/2023 21:12

I always remember that bit with irritation. Hermione can go into the boys dorm room but the boys can't go into the girls. I love JK but I think the girls should not have been able to get into the boys dorm either.

Ron complains about this in the books and Hermione explains it's because of very old fashioned beliefs that girls were trustworthy and boys weren't.

It reminds me of downton abbey - the door separating the mens and womens corridor (where servants slept) was locked with the key on the women's side.

Tbf to JKR and whoever made downton - women/girls are far more at risk from men/boys going uninvited to their bedrooms compared to the reverse.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/08/2023 21:09

But we're told, constantly, that there is no conflict between trans rights and women's rights. Is...is...are you suggesting...that there is?

PurpleBugz · 25/08/2023 21:08

Beowulfa · 18/08/2023 13:32

In one of the Potter books, as the kids are growing up, the boys are (magically) no longer able to access the girls' rooms in Hogwarts. As we all know, single sex protection is transphobic as fuck.

I'm going to spend my million on buying racehorses and giving them comedy names.

I always remember that bit with irritation. Hermione can go into the boys dorm room but the boys can't go into the girls. I love JK but I think the girls should not have been able to get into the boys dorm either.

Is there prove money if I argue the case she's sexist?

Mamabear222 · 25/08/2023 20:53

An theyve managed to make sure that none of the TRAs would be able to claim it even if they find some thing allegedly 'transphobic'. to flip it in a way that i hope nobody agrees with, can you find an example of Tommy robinson being racist or islamaphobic? That is, the cited statement must materially detract from the human rights of ‘black people or muslims’ without simultaneously arguing for the rights of another group, such as women, children, or the white race."

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 25/08/2023 13:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2023 10:28

@BezMills the Green Party have produced a handy guide for you.

lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/

That was a dreadful read. Some untruths - testosterone tests in sport meaning some black 'cis' women are excluded. That's never happened, but have resulted in identifying a number of participants and intersex with male gametes that have historically participated in female sport.

The suggestion that preferring vagina is transphobic and described as a 'genital preference', rather than a sexuality.

The suggestion that concerns about children and pushback against childhood gender transition is a suggestion that trans people have a sexual interest in children. Rather than proven health concerns relating to transition before adulthood.

I wish that organisations would take some feedback around the word cis and how it is often used as a slur and therefore felt as a slur. I won't use it and am offended if it is used about me against my wishes.

I don't misgender and use preferred pronouns in general (won't call rapists she, that is offensive) so expect the same respect

porridgecake · 25/08/2023 13:05

I was told by a young woman a couple of days ago that segregating by biological sex (as in single sex toilets, changing rooms, refuges etc for biological women) is the same as racism in the 50s in USA.
I offered her a copy of Irreversible Damage, after talking about puberty blockers and surgery. She didn't want to read anything written by a transphobe.
Absolutely brainwashed.
This is a a young woman educated to degree level.

FannyCann · 25/08/2023 13:01

And detransition rates are "incredibly low" but there are "plenty of them". 🤔

£1 million prize offered for anyone who can provide a clear example of a transphobic J.K. Rowling quote
EdithStourton · 25/08/2023 12:51

How is acknowledging biological sex as the underpinning of womanhood potentially racist? 😵‍💫

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 25/08/2023 12:46

Conversion Therapy: the process of using intrusive (physically and/or mentally) procedures to 'convert' someone from being LGB to Straight, or in making someone trans into cis.

If you have a gay woman who converts to being a straight transman does that class as conversion therapy?

IcakethereforeIam · 25/08/2023 11:09

'Lived experience'

Tw don't have any lived experience of being a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2023 11:06

Cis: the opposite of trans; to identify with the gender you were assigned as.
If this is true then calling someone Cis is most of the time misgendering them since the vast majority of people do not have a Gender Identity.

You'll be met with a "polite correction"

How to disarm: If a genuine mistake, correct them politely and explain what cis means and how it isn’t a slur. If deliberate, ask why they think that and if they could explain how sex works then, considering how it isn’t a clear binary, as well as noting that reducing womanhood to biology is in the face of lived experience and is potentially racist and ableist.

BezMills · 25/08/2023 10:55

Wow Green Party of England and Wales. Just Wow.

I've marked their homework. My comments in italics

1: Definitions

Transgender/Trans: To align/identifies with a gender (or non) that you were not assigned to at birth. This applies to non-binary people.
(Gender is not assigned at birth, Sex is observed at or before birth)

Cis: the opposite of trans; to identify with the gender you were assigned as.
If this is true then calling someone Cis is most of the time misgendering them since the vast majority of people do not have a Gender Identity.

Trans woman: someone assigned male at birth who identifies as a woman.
Nobody is assigned male at birth. They are observed to be Male at or before birth.

Trans man: someone assigned female at birth who identifies as a man.
Nobody is assigned female at birth. They are observed to be Female at or before birth.

Non-Binary/Enby: someone who's gender does not align with the binary conception of gender as 'man and woman'.
Man and Woman are not genders.

Transphobia: the hatred, irrational fear, aversion or dislike of, or discrimination of a transgender or non-binary person on account of their gender, of trans and non-binary people. Transphobia is both systemic and non-systemic, as are many other bigotries.
Fair comment in my opinion

Gender Critical: someone who believes that sex is the only factor to consider regarding if someone is a man or woman, not gender. (fair) Many Gender Critical people do not believe enbies are actually enby. (also fair) The term Gender Critical is often used by transphobes to disguise their bigotry as merely ‘sex essentialism’, not unlike those who use the term ‘Race Realist’ to disguise their racism.
Citation needed. Provisionally categorised as abject bullshit pending citation.

Conversion Therapy: the process of using intrusive (physically and/or mentally) procedures to 'convert' someone from being LGB to Straight, or in making someone trans into cis.
Fair

Detransition: when someone who was trans, for whatever reason(s) decides to stop their transition.
Fair

AGAB: Assigned Gender at Birth. This can be male (AMAB) or female (AFAB).
Too much bullshit in one sentence. See me after class.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2023 10:28

@BezMills the Green Party have produced a handy guide for you.

lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/

BezMills · 25/08/2023 09:19

I'm not saying she does a lot of dog whistlin, but everytime she tweets, her area of Edinburgh is filled with 1000s of stray dogs from every part of the Lothians region. Some reportedly from as far away as Hawick and Glenrothes.

Yes. She dog whistlin.

DevilinaCardigan · 25/08/2023 07:47

So…. has anyone claimed the prize yet?
Or, maybe, she didn’t say anything transphobic.

GailForce10 · 19/08/2023 08:45

That sophistry doesn't even reach 6th form.

Britinme · 18/08/2023 13:47

Expecto Joannum!

IcakethereforeIam · 18/08/2023 13:36

@Britinme that's JKR doing you a solid. She is a witch.

Britinme · 18/08/2023 13:34

Now what's really weird is that the email notification took me to a different thread, but when I posted the above comment it posted on the correct thread (this one) even though I wasn't on that page at the time. Spooky!

Beowulfa · 18/08/2023 13:32

In one of the Potter books, as the kids are growing up, the boys are (magically) no longer able to access the girls' rooms in Hogwarts. As we all know, single sex protection is transphobic as fuck.

I'm going to spend my million on buying racehorses and giving them comedy names.

Britinme · 18/08/2023 13:27

This is weird - I get an email notification about the £1m prize offered for a transphobic comment by JKR thread, and it brings me here!

ApocalipstickNow · 18/08/2023 08:50

But if you read that bit NotBadConsidering has posted you can CLEARLY see that JKR has spelled out I hate trans folk by carefully hiding the letters in other words and not putting the k (or more accurately x) to make it seem more palatable. It’s all there you just have to look. and bullshit a bit.

literalviolence · 17/08/2023 22:56

DeanElderberry · 17/08/2023 12:19

I always go a bit quiet round cross dressing, what with wearing blokes' pyjamas (nice and roomy, pure cotton, dirt cheap), blokes' socks (less than I used to now that the women's sizes sometimes go above 41), my dad's old gardening fleece (quite comforting, reminds me of him) and any nice cotton charity-shop shirt in a colour I like - even -gasp Hawaiian shirts.

Lord knows what the true believers would think that makes me.

Short hair too, and unadorned fingernails.

I like wearing boxers rather than knickers - though can't do that when I have my period because of the need for a sanitary towel. Does that make me gender fluid?

I wear my OH's jumpers in preference to mine cos they're massive. I don't wear make up and sometimes don't style my hair.

IW would not think I was an actual woman I guess even if he was envious of the actual female body functions.

Hawkins009 · 17/08/2023 13:50

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2023 13:29

I've been brainwashed into knowing there are just the two sexes.

Come on, unbrainwash me. Explain what trans is. And give me some examples of JKRs transphobia.

Should be simple, right? It's been nearly 4 years.

In science lessons originally you had the chromosome xx, xy
How has the current trans situation changed that ?
Is it now yes i was born xx but I now identity as xy as an example ?