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MoltenLasagne · 14/08/2023 21:13

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 16:22

Yes, I'm always slightly concerned when the Grauniad won't allow comments, they seem almost afraid of what might be said.

They know it's going to be a mix of people pointing out the blatantly obvious, and people who are commenting getting a kick out of it.

SkatieKatie · 14/08/2023 19:28

Ohnohedident · 14/08/2023 12:59

And bit by bit, the boundaries around children and sex are worn away.

Well said

It's appalling

loislovesstewie · 14/08/2023 16:22

Yes, I'm always slightly concerned when the Grauniad won't allow comments, they seem almost afraid of what might be said.

AgnesX · 14/08/2023 16:18

Eight.... Jesus wept. And neither of them seem to think there's anything the matter with it.

I'm not surprised there are no comments for that article.

SaturdayGiraffe · 14/08/2023 16:13

Would they accept a complaint about this piece?

Ohnohedident · 14/08/2023 12:59

And bit by bit, the boundaries around children and sex are worn away.

guinnessguzzler · 14/08/2023 12:46

@GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat Same.

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 14/08/2023 10:11

guinnessguzzler · 14/08/2023 08:12

This feature is none of those things, it's insufferably earnest mixed with exhibitionism mixed with dullness.

Isn't that the Guardian's strapline?! 😂

😁

I grew up in a Guardian reading household through the 80s, 90s and 00s and it pains me to see what it's become 😩

Justleaveitblankthen · 14/08/2023 09:15

Can these creatures be traced and reported?

If I was a Journo I would do my damn hardest.

Anonymous or not 😡

guinnessguzzler · 14/08/2023 08:12

This feature is none of those things, it's insufferably earnest mixed with exhibitionism mixed with dullness.

Isn't that the Guardian's strapline?! 😂

TheFireflies · 14/08/2023 06:53

If this is real and not just someone stupid enough to make up a story that’s such an obvious safeguarding issue, they absolutely have a duty to report this family as a child welfare concern. That last paragraph turned my stomach.

allhellcantstopusnow · 13/08/2023 21:27

@Clymene @BreadInCaptivity

Yes, if you notice literally one minute after my first comment I addressed this....

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 13/08/2023 21:02

I was trying to decide if I was being hypocritical. I don't mind reading about sex in the context of a novel, agony aunt, amusing anecdote etc. This feature is none of those things, it's insufferably earnest mixed with exhibitionism mixed with dullness.

As you say are that many people really writing in? They do sound a little implausible and fabricated.

Daftmum47 · 13/08/2023 20:55

@RoyalCorgi @GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat

I agree. It’s a weird column series. And I thought it was always made up (maybe because of the 70-somethings etc having way more sex than me, happy polyamory, etc), but who would make up this?

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 13/08/2023 18:59

ETA Just caught up...

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 13/08/2023 18:52

Sorry haven't RTWT yet but aside from troubling aspect already discussed, why on earth does the Guardian feel the need to make this a regular feature? 'This is how we do it'? Nope.

I consider myself fairly sex positive (!) but reading about the weird/awkward sex lives of strangers is just grim. I don't want to know the details, I'm not a voyeur 😩

Aside from the subject of having a child in the room, both these adults give me the absolute creeps. I had a partner who used to pester me for sex and it was the least attractive thing ever. Also pestering re. orgasm even though I'd repeatedly explained nicely that it didn't always happen and it wasn't personal. The guy in this column reminded me of that on both counts nevermind the rest of it. She sounds peculiar too.

AnnaTortoiseshell · 13/08/2023 18:21

This is horrifying. I have written a complaint, and I never bother to do that kind of thing. That poor child.

Musomama1 · 13/08/2023 18:16

I can understand if the child is a tiny baby and it's the very early days / co sleeping and all that, but an 8 year old? This is a little person who could easily wake up and overhear and are probably highly unlikely to mention it and keep it all in. It's also a bit weird if you have an alternative.

I'm going to bet money that this family don't live in a studio flat and have a living room. Do it there for goodness sake. Tmi - but this is what we do as we have a similar room sharing situation. It's not ideal but the other scenario is a firm no.

StarlightLady · 13/08/2023 18:07

@F0RBIDDEN - I haven't agreed with all people on this thread by any means, but on this point I am with you 100%. Whenever I see so called sureveys on so many things, I always think noboday asked me.

And yes, this does seem very odd.

BreadInCaptivity · 13/08/2023 18:06

allhellcantstopusnow · 13/08/2023 16:42

It doesn't say that they have sex in the room with their child. They say it's logistically more complicated, which would imply they have to do it outside of 'the norm' which would be their bedroom.

Based on just this article, there are a lot of over reactions and disgusting accusations on this thread.

The father talks about the sound of a vibrator being akin to white noise that will make his son sleep better.

I think you ought to read the article before telling everyone off for clutching at their pearls.

F0RBIDDEN · 13/08/2023 17:59

But I tell you what's really odd - the whole bloody idea of this series. It entails a couple agreeing to be interviewed individually by a journalist about their sex life, to be published in a national newspaper. What normal person does that? What normal newspaper publishes it?

The thing is people read it, it's often in the most read articles. People are interested in other peoples sex lives. They just are.

RoyalCorgi · 13/08/2023 17:57

The whole thing is a bit weird. I accept that years ago, it must have been very very common amongst working-class families for the parents to have sex while there were children in the room. You'd have these enormous families of six, eight or ten children, and only two bedrooms - so it was inevitable (unless you abstained altogether).

I find it strange that a modern-day couple with only one child have to do this, though. Perhaps they just have the one bedroom, but when you have an eight-year old child, you might expect them to give him a sofa bed in the living room.

But I tell you what's really odd - the whole bloody idea of this series. It entails a couple agreeing to be interviewed individually by a journalist about their sex life, to be published in a national newspaper. What normal person does that? What normal newspaper publishes it?

Clymene · 13/08/2023 17:18

allhellcantstopusnow · 13/08/2023 16:42

It doesn't say that they have sex in the room with their child. They say it's logistically more complicated, which would imply they have to do it outside of 'the norm' which would be their bedroom.

Based on just this article, there are a lot of over reactions and disgusting accusations on this thread.

What do you think the final paragraph means?

We plan to buy a vibrator, which should provide a bit of novelty with minimal effort. We’ve actually joked that the sound of the vibrator will make our son sleep more deeply. It will be like a cheap white-noise machine.

If they're having sex on the sofa, why will the vibrator make their son sleep more deeply? Confused

ArabeIIaScott · 13/08/2023 17:14

Daftmum47 · 13/08/2023 00:36

This article is shocking.

About 6 weeks ago I cancelled my subscription and member services to the Guardian.

It was very cathartic telling them that no, it wasn’t the cost of living, but yes, it was 100% down to their editorial line.

The guy on the call said they’d been receiving a few cancellations from women on the grounds of the paper’s stance on women’s rights.

No shit. I cancelled about 5 or 6 years ago. That paper makes me rage. I used to enjoy it, but I can't shake the feeling it's written by dead eyed hipsters with degrees in smuggery.

allhellcantstopusnow · 13/08/2023 16:43

Oh hang on, a pop up blocked the last paragraph.

That wasn't a good comment re the vibrator. Good lord 🤦🏼‍♀️