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Yougov poll on what Britons think of L,G,B, and T people.

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ArabeIIaScott · 11/08/2023 16:25

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/08/11/what-do-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-brito

'...the British public express more positive views of the queer community than lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Britons expect.Around half of Britons say they hold positive views of gay and lesbian people (54%) and bisexuals (50%), while 39% say the same of transgender people. A third or slightly more (33-39%) have a neutral view of each group.'

(It's unclear whether YouGov told LGB or T people whether they'd be referring to them as 'queer', or asked whether they were okay with that.)

Looks like a very simple, if not simplistic, question. But still, I thought some may find it of interest.

Maybe worth noting that there seemst to be growing division between attitudes towards the different letters in the 'LGBT' acronym.

What do lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Britons think the British public thinks of them? | YouGov

Gay and lesbian Britons tend to think the public has a favourable view of them, but bisexual and particularly transgender Britons feel less positivity from the public

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/08/11/what-do-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-brito

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IcakethereforeIam · 11/08/2023 17:04

I wonder what the Lesbians were though? A woman who is in a relationship with a tw might call herself a lesbian. Although they've separated for sex, it still seems they may have allowed a tw to call himself a lesbian. As for tm, feck knows!

LoobiJee · 11/08/2023 17:03

ArabeIIaScott · 11/08/2023 16:27

For reference, and without wishing to derail, less than 1% of the UK's 'non-straight' population used 'queer' to refer to themselves, from Yougov's own poll.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/07/28/lgbt-lgbtq-lgbtqia-what-acronym-does-queer-communi

So an individual whose job description is “Head of Data Journalism” wrote an article about the views of “the queer community” and “young queer Britons” without defining “queer” or specifying how youGov went about identifying “1,000 queer Britons”?

I note that the use of “sexual minorities” could mean that yougov’s definition of the “queer community” goes wider than same-sex orientation (and could, presumably, include heterosexuals who are into swinging, BDSM, or other sexual interests).

Then, having limited their survey to “queer Britons” they found that 53% of those “queer Britons” who answered this survey included the letter Q in their preferred acronym. Well, there’s a surprise.

And what on earth is this supposed to mean? “plus represents those who don’t identify with one of the letters in the acronym” So how are they part of the group then? Is the plus intended to cover BDSM and swinging?

arethereanyleftatall · 11/08/2023 16:48

@ArabeIIaScott ah yes so it does, and I just looked it up and I actually meant 35%didn't understand, not 30 %. That makes more sense for T. 39% minus 35% equals 4% which is probably about right.

IwantToRetire · 11/08/2023 16:48

Not forgetting the recent poll that found many in the UK, especially young people, didn't really know what a trans person was!

Clearly any survey like this needs to set out in advance what they mean by the terms they use.

senua · 11/08/2023 16:46

Kendodd · 11/08/2023 16:42

Well I wonder if it is bad? If I was asked, I would be indifferent. The same as I would with any other group of people. Somebody is gay, or straight, or lesbian, or black, or disabled, or anything, it's just a shrug of the shoulder, so what, I have no option either way on whether some group is good or bad, that's down to the individuals within. I'll reserve my judgement for them when I know them.

That was my reaction, too. I have no idea how I would answer this survey. Maybe ask if the question could be reworded?

ArabeIIaScott · 11/08/2023 16:46

arethereanyleftatall · 11/08/2023 16:41

I think if you lump them all in together, yes, the response will be positive.

Separate out the T bit though, and (given last weeks news that 30% didn't actually realise that TW means men) tell them what it means...and the results would be very different...

The survey does separate out all the letters in the acronym. And views differ.

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Kendodd · 11/08/2023 16:42

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 11/08/2023 16:32

How sad that 44% of the respondents are not positive towards L, G and B though. I mean I've encountered this homophobia and biphobia in my life but it still surprises me that it's so high in this day and age.

Well I wonder if it is bad? If I was asked, I would be indifferent. The same as I would with any other group of people. Somebody is gay, or straight, or lesbian, or black, or disabled, or anything, it's just a shrug of the shoulder, so what, I have no option either way on whether some group is good or bad, that's down to the individuals within. I'll reserve my judgement for them when I know them.

ScholesPanda · 11/08/2023 16:41

80% are either positive or neutral though. I think I would have put neutral- I think it's great that gay and lesbian people can love who they want, but it doesn't make me feel positive about them as individuals in and of itself iyswim.

What I did find interesting was that gay men are less likely to be positive about transgender people than lesbians (the most positive group I think). Opposite to what I would have expected.

arethereanyleftatall · 11/08/2023 16:41

I think if you lump them all in together, yes, the response will be positive.

Separate out the T bit though, and (given last weeks news that 30% didn't actually realise that TW means men) tell them what it means...and the results would be very different...

ArabeIIaScott · 11/08/2023 16:36

I'd say that was a bit of a negative way of looking at the results?

'Only 7% of Britons say they have a negative view of lesbian and gay people, and only marginally more have a negative view of bisexual Britons (9%).'

To me, sexuality between consenting adults should be an irrelevance. People just shouldn't care (unless it's directly relevant, so in a sex/relationship situation) - so a neutral response seems perfectly logical.

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WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 11/08/2023 16:33

Sorry, 44% towards L and G and 50% towards B.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 11/08/2023 16:32

How sad that 44% of the respondents are not positive towards L, G and B though. I mean I've encountered this homophobia and biphobia in my life but it still surprises me that it's so high in this day and age.

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