The Gender War in Britain is Over

Thanks for your reply! That is depressing.

That is the bit that worries me. That some bekindliberalhaventthoughtitthroughcositdoesntaffectme types will decide the 'middle ground' is, ok, we ban medical transition for under 18s and here's women's rights/spaces on toast as a consolation prize.

In her year group that is ( single sex school)

Well it's pretty much over in my daughter's school.
The 'special' ones are increasingly reverting to their birth names.
From a high of around 15 there's now less than half a dozen.

I find her irritatingly fence-sitting on this. Towards the end she talks about the need for Democrats to listen to de-transitioners and Republicans to listen to trans people, and that way we'll all find a happy middle road. But why do we need a middle road? How can there be a middle road between allowing surgeons to cut off the breasts off teenage girls and not allowing them? How can there be a middle road between pretending that men can be women - and hence allowing them into women's prisons and changing rooms - and not pretending? It's just silly.

Tru trans
???

I don't think so. People (women) are still being coerced into saying that some women have a penis to avoid upset.

It's also entrenched in so many institutions.

A lot of wins but it's not over sadly.

I like Helen and she's had a lot of abuse/targeting for "cancellation" just because of her fairly mildly GC beliefs, but she's always been tru trans.

There's the paradox; as more and more organisations and political parties get captured, the Great British Public out there is getting steadily more and more annoyed about the lunacies of the Borg. Thanks in no small degree, it pains me to say, through gritted teeth, to the likes of the Daily Mail. Perhaps a case of, "If there is hope, it lies in the proles"?

This.

A combination of

"There must be single sex spaces (and men can be any sex they like)"

and

"Well in THEORY you can have single sex spaces (and we won't look at or do anything about the bullying, harassment and targeted elimination of any service or resource that tries to provide this to women)"

Which has been what has successfully eradicated inclusive, accessible provision for women thus far.

And yes, if they think this is going to go away, they have another think coming. The evidence and disasters are stacking up, frequently. The legal cases keep on coming. The general public are getting steadily more aware. And eventually there will be a scandal that they are stuck carrying the can for if they are not very careful.

That's chilling, @RebelliousCow . There's a hell of a long way to go.

St Maya of WORIADS, the law is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed are the fruits of thy labours

It is not up to the Labour party to " allow" single sex spaces, though. Single sex spaces are already protected in the EA. What is needed is for the category of sex to be made far clearer - that it means biological sex. Labour will evade and avoid this, though - as you suggest.

For starters!

Thinking ahead to when the genderborg is finally defeated. Can we nominate Maya Forstatter for beatification? Does she have to be dead first? She certainly performed a miracle.

The Labour Party just want the problem to go away. They will allow single sex spaces but will not lift a finger against those who will eradicate them.

Helen Lewis strikes me as a Labour cheerleader. She did an interview on R4 PM saying much the same. In effect: all over, nothing to see, stop asking Kier what a woman is.

Still a lot of Labour politicians are TWAW. Eg, Kier Mather has got another 40-50 years ahead of him.

'Trans' simply wasn't a thing when i was teaching 13 years ago; but now my daughter is teaching and it is in every school. Some schools will be more formally aligned than others, but in every school there are activist teachers pushing this stuff - and creating an atmosphere in which critical or questioning pupils are fearful of being open or honest about it.

It has silently becoem a new orthodoxy; and institutional reflex - and even if you don't believe in it you are expected to go along with it.

Maybe, but as the police and CPS are fully captured they may try to keep such events out of the public eye.

Note how the Galashiels butcher opted to be tried as a man. He should be sentenced around now. Am keeping an eye out for the news.

The problem is far bigger than the Labour party pretending they have rejected Self Id. As mentioned above this ideology has embeded itself in organisations and institutions, where it is now busily reproducing itself.

They've seen trans and nb kids being endlessly pandered to at school

I mean you said it, here.

I'm very, very glad that your kids are too sensible for this harmful nonsense but they have no power or influence. They won't have any power or influence over the world of education for a very long time, if ever (in all likelihood depending on their career path etc). I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. And they aren't in agreement with the majority of teens either, at least not as yet.

Meanwhile more and more teachers are turning towards this ideology and becoming convinced of it, the ones who simply weren't aware of it before, including experienced leadership staff. We are all getting "trained" on it. New teachers getting trained in teaching with this brand of EDI interwoven into all their practice. Diehard converts getting promoted into senior roles.

I grew up essentially taught feminism was done, that we had won. I genuinely think that is half the reason misogyny has managed such a come back. It's all tied up together with this ideology. My cohort were not looking and many still are not looking.

I will not be falling for this. Repeal the GRA. Let me see boys playing with 'girl' toys and that be ok. Let me go a few years not hearing about young girls trying to identify out of the uncomfortable male gaze. etc. and I will listen. Until then no it's not over.

And until stats stop including gender as sex I won't trust the 'proof' we have equality either. I'm still seething about the article I read recently that some highest paid 'woman' was once a man. That sort of shit has to stop

Events dear boy, events. My own little theory is that there will be another (or a series of other) big shifts. No one was talking about rapists in prison, self ID was all about the feelings of the poor gender dysphoric people, and then suddenly Isla Bryson happened. And from then, the unsayable became sayable, there was a general WTF moment and politicians looked callous, cruel, incompetent, gullible you name it for pursuing this policy.

I think there will be more stories like Isla Bryson that will have a similar impact. The most significant will be a front page story where the sexual motivation for some will become blatantly obvious. And at that point a very big unsayable will become sayable, the reasonable policy position will become utterly unreasonable.

I'm interested in this. My kids (early to mid teens) seem to be totally over gender ideology. They've seen trans and nb kids being endlessly pandered to at school, with multiple pronoun and name changes, plus the constant risk of using the wrong name etc. I get the impression that there is a weary tolerance of it all in school, and open piss taking /tutting/ eye rolling when at home or with particular friends.

All of that, more than anything the Labour Party could come up with, makes me think this madness will end before too long.

But I'm curious (and nervous!) to know what you see at your school that makes you think things will get worse.

I listened to the second half of “Anti-social” through gritted teeth (they were discussing “inclusive” policies like the Costa trans man). It seems “inclusivity” is baked in to corporate social responsibility so as to affect people’s bonuses for example. The part of the discussion I heard seemed to be all about cost of the policies versus the good they do and benefit to the company. I didn’t hear the first half but there was no recognition that “inclusivity” might be a subjective thing. It will be very difficult to root this out other than through top down political change and scandal I think. The war is not over…

Who knows? He's waiting to be told what to think.