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ItsFunToBeAVampire · 2023-08-09T08:44:31+00:00

Transgender patient loses unborn baby while undergoing hysterectomy while four months pregnant [[https://mol.im/a/12387829 https://mol.im/a/12387829]] This article is horrifying. In my experience women are always given pregnancy tests before surgery, what the hell happened here?

Ifeelsuchflutterings · 09/08/2023 12:48

Dinopawus · 09/08/2023 12:35

@Flickersy

He wished to remove his womb and ovaries as part of his transition process and was confirmed for surgery 10 days before the operation occurred

It was part of the transition. That's why, in my view, it is loaded to call it a hysterectomy.

But I thought one of the tenents of GC was that you can't change sex and another was to use language correctly.

Therefore its far more appropriate to call an operation to remove a uterus a hysterectomy than a sex change operation

I don't think we should change the name of medical procedures depending on the reasons for having them. I guess calling it an elective hysterectomy would be appropriate though

Rightsraptor · 09/08/2023 12:47

If the patient was on testosterone she would be experiencing her body differently. I can't recall what the article says, if anything, about that. So absence of periods, mood swings, whatever, might be put down to that. I dont know, just guessing.

i expect the hospital concerned will now be the safest place to have that operation as theyll have rigorously investigated their procedures.

But healthcare depends on all of us being honest, patients and carers alike, which just isn't happening now.

Datun · 09/08/2023 12:46

NeedToChangeName · 09/08/2023 12:35

@Datun if the nurse genuinely thought she was talking to a man, surely the nurse would query a hysterectomy...?

My head hurts with all this

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I agree. What if it was called gender affirmation surgery or some such bollocks?

It sounds far-fetched, I know.

But I didn't realise that own health service would deny that a woman had been raped because the man in front of them wasn't a man.

Folkevermore · 09/08/2023 12:42

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 12:33

This is a story worthy of international notice. This is a case of negligence. The process is severely flawed for whatever reason.

The process has been updated now thankfully, every woman will be tested and they don't rely on a questionnaire anymore.

DaisyChayne · 09/08/2023 12:41

Elepunt · 09/08/2023 10:01

When they were told by the nurse a pregnancy test wouldn't be necessary, any reason they couldn't have taken some self responsibility? If they were having unprotected sex with a man and presumably not using any contraception then why didn't they say yes there is a chance? This is the issue with this gender bullshit, when it comes to medical treatment sex is important. I wonder if having to probably refer to this woman as a man made the nurse unsure about whether they'd be cancelled or called transphobic for carrying out a rational pre op check.

They didn't necessarily have unprotected sex.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/08/2023 12:41

Mr Pohlner was told the hysterectomy would have been required regardless of the pregnancy because the placenta was growing into his C-section scar.

This was also stated in the article.

JennyBeBad · 09/08/2023 12:40

they are delusional

Rightsraptor · 09/08/2023 12:39

I was once working in gynae theatres and we had a young woman with fibroids on the table. The surgeon asked for another (urine) pregnancy test there and then. Very simple and quickly done. Negative. The op went ahead.

She looked pregnant, but wasn't. Some women won't look pregnant but will be. If they've had multiple pregnancies the uterus may well be bulky, even without another pregnancy in it.

I think this is basically a case of hospital systems failure with an overlay of other issues, such as the pandemic, the trans issue and Victoria being a totally captured state.

oakleaffy · 09/08/2023 12:38

Coffeewithoatmilk · 09/08/2023 12:21

Ok hospital messed up with the pregnancy tests but surely if you are a biological female who obviously had unprotected sex with a man and after that you started to have some kind of symptoms surely you would buy a pregnancy test yourself to check if you are not pregnant just in case. Specially if you have any other children, you should be aware how things work right?

No accounting for stupid.

Especially as this person has given birth before!

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NeedToChangeName · 09/08/2023 12:35

Datun · 09/08/2023 10:30

Transmen can pass far more than transwomen.

I wonder if the nurse wasn't aware of what surgery was about to happen, and genuinely thought she was talking to a man.

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@Datun if the nurse genuinely thought she was talking to a man, surely the nurse would query a hysterectomy...?

My head hurts with all this

Dinopawus · 09/08/2023 12:35

@Flickersy

He wished to remove his womb and ovaries as part of his transition process and was confirmed for surgery 10 days before the operation occurred

It was part of the transition. That's why, in my view, it is loaded to call it a hysterectomy.

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 12:33

This is a story worthy of international notice. This is a case of negligence. The process is severely flawed for whatever reason.

paradoxicalfrog · 09/08/2023 12:33

RoseslnTheHospital · 09/08/2023 09:53

If you are female and having sex with a male person without using any form of contraception, then pregnancy is always possible. For a surgery such as hysterectomy, pregnancy should always be definitively ruled out. I sincerely hope that the fact that this person had a trans gender identity did not affect the decision making process, but perhaps it did. Or perhaps the hospital are not operating properly in general.

Here in the UK, I was even given a pregnancy test prior to minor surgery under GA to have a haemorrhaging uterine polyp removed when I was 60.

oakleaffy · 09/08/2023 12:32

This patient has been pregnant before..they have C section scar.
It's not like it's their first rodeo.

There would be 'Quickening' by 12 weeks, surely, plus they ''Put their morning sickness down to flu?''

How can an experienced mother be so unaware in these circs as to not realise they were pregnant by 16 weeks?, not to mention there would be a change in waistline.

Icycloud · 09/08/2023 12:32

What an idiot

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/08/2023 12:32

Of course the hospital was at fault.

I'd be interested to know if they test as a matter of regular procedure and if this was waived for the patient because of that individual's trans status.

Flickersy · 09/08/2023 12:32

Dinopawus · 09/08/2023 12:27

I don't disagree that it is better practice to test for pregnancy rather than using a screening questionnaire. Patients have various reasons for giving inaccurate answers to questions and HCP should understand this.

In the UK, sex change surgery is usually carried out by a small number of specialist centres. I don't know how the process works in Australia.

Does anyone know if pregnancy tests are routinely done before female to male surgery in the UK? I can't help feeling that referring to the surgery as a hysterectomy is more loaded than calling it an elective sex change procedure.

And I can also imagine there could be pushback from some campaigners if a pregnancy test was a prerequisite for a sex change.

This wasn't a sex change procedure. A hysterectomy is not a sex change operation.

TallulahBetty · 09/08/2023 12:29

MeinKraft · 09/08/2023 11:30

Enough is enough now, the NHS really needs to start protecting patients and medical staff by sorting their shit out.

Agreed, except this wasn't on the NHS

Dinopawus · 09/08/2023 12:27

I don't disagree that it is better practice to test for pregnancy rather than using a screening questionnaire. Patients have various reasons for giving inaccurate answers to questions and HCP should understand this.

In the UK, sex change surgery is usually carried out by a small number of specialist centres. I don't know how the process works in Australia.

Does anyone know if pregnancy tests are routinely done before female to male surgery in the UK? I can't help feeling that referring to the surgery as a hysterectomy is more loaded than calling it an elective sex change procedure.

And I can also imagine there could be pushback from some campaigners if a pregnancy test was a prerequisite for a sex change.

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 09/08/2023 12:25

DisquietintheRanks · 09/08/2023 12:22

Why? Does a pregnant uterus look superficially different than, say, a uterus full of fibroid?

This is a genuine question btw

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Either way the uterus would look enlarged indicating that there was something in there. So it should have registered that it could be a pregnancy.

DisquietintheRanks · 09/08/2023 12:22

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 09/08/2023 12:19

I would have thought it obvious to any surgeon that there was a 16 week uterus present as soon as the abdomen was opened.

Why? Does a pregnant uterus look superficially different than, say, a uterus full of fibroid?

This is a genuine question btw

TerfTalking · 09/08/2023 12:22

And there will be more health disasters yet to come with this fucked up ideology and captured healthcare providers.

Coffeewithoatmilk · 09/08/2023 12:21

Ok hospital messed up with the pregnancy tests but surely if you are a biological female who obviously had unprotected sex with a man and after that you started to have some kind of symptoms surely you would buy a pregnancy test yourself to check if you are not pregnant just in case. Specially if you have any other children, you should be aware how things work right?

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 09/08/2023 12:19

I would have thought it obvious to any surgeon that there was a 16 week uterus present as soon as the abdomen was opened.