Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

As gender critical as I am, I have to say that this comment is (a) not relevant and (b) daft.

I see we're back to "the woman lied". Its a classic, I'll give you that.

But ‘hysterectomy’ on the form might be a clue that man / male on the details might merit further thought.

The patient claims to have requested a pregnancy test. This is a trans individual - do you not think that in the current climate the hospital wouldn't have been jumping backwards through flaming hoops to accommodate her demands?

I think she's mistaken. I have worked with surgeons in the past, and been present when they have clearly explained the implications of surgery and treatment to patients - any possible complications/ side effects etc, and the patients have confirmed that they have understood and are happy to go ahead.

I have then on occasion heard these same patients deny that X or Y was mentioned - and they certainly weren't told anything about Z! It's not lying, as such, it's just that it's human nature to want to go ahead and be "cured", and also to want to blame someone when that "cure" comes with even minor complications or restrictions (eg to diet etc as in gall bladder surgery) and to deny that they were told. They truly don't believe that they were informed.

I think that this TM has denied any chance that she could be pregnant and now - whether from guilt or another reason - cannot accept the responsibility.

I honestly do not think that any hospital would omit such a basic test procedure, particularly when is is easy, quick and cheap to administer, and carries no risk to the patient.

If they are meant to live as a man, then surely that does not include having a penis put inside their vagina.

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Not on something that basic. As I say, I do I find it hard to believe. A far more likely scenario is it The patients lied or intimidated the healthcare professional into backing down rather than insisting on the test. But we’re not allowed to say that are we ?

Of course mistakes happen in hospitals (as in all workplaces). But it's much easier to make mistakes in an environment where you're told not to believe the evidence of your eyes, where words can mean their exact opposite, where you are being policed for WrongThink and where stating truth and reality can be career-ending.

Me too

Medical professionals do, sometimes, make mistakes. Very big ones. No-one is infallible.

Precisely I find this very hard to believe that it’s the medical professionals fault.

this is why in the UK, unless someone is past menopause or had a hysterectomy - we do a pregnancy test. no matter what the patient says... "I am celibate" "I had my period" etc etc
if they absolutely refuse, they sign a disclaimer to take responsibility

and not just for ops but a range of other diagnostics and treatments

I don't think this was a trans issue, I think they genuinely had a policy issue and it was a Swiss cheese situation

There are three ways a hysterectomy can be performed. Carrying out a hysterectomy vaginally is one of them, but given the ovaries were being removed at the same time, it is likely this was abdominal surgery.

HE?!

If there’s one thing I’ve learned working in healthcare, it’s that you never trust someone who says they aren’t pregnant until you see a negative pregnancy test.

Everyone in this situation fucked up.

Christ.

Yeah, they don't usually. The more c-sections you have, the higher the risk too, so it's relevant to women who might intend larger families. It was a pretty unusual thing back when c-sections were less common.

It's not a viable pregnancy when it happens, is dangerous, and generally I think requires a hysterectomy.

So the patient says after the event.

I’m sorry, I just do not believe that a nurse would fuck up like that.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think they cut them open. I think they go up and pull it out. So you wouldn’t see the contents until afterwards

This.

And I don't believe that a woman wo has carried and birthed three children previously is unaware of the signs of pregnancy.

And I also think that she should not have told her children about their accidentally aborted sibling.

And surely when they cut her open they would have seen a baby in the womb? 😢
I feel sick reading this.

Read the article. The patient actively requested a pregnancy test. This wasn't a case of no-one mentioning the possibility so as not to offend.

The word "He" throughout that article is really annoying me.
He lost the baby during a hysterectomy. Really? 😡

indeed - teaching people that lying about their sex to everyone in all circumstances is a totally sensible thing to do is a pretty wrong headed stupid idea to be honest.

teaching people that even where they know or should know that the patient is lying about this it is somehow intolerable to correct them is even worse.

The group of men being prepped for a hysterectomy is zero. But you go from a conversation where everyone knows but pretends that that isn't true to a situation where the piece of paper says don't run this test it isn't needed.

I would seriously suggest this was not a mistake and that a pregnancy test wasn’t done because the patient lied on the health questionnaire and the nurse was terrified to question it. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the medical professionals knew damn well they ought to do a pregnancy test as standard. But felt they couldn’t push it.