Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

If the truth was told yes those would be the answers, but none of us know what was actually said do we.

'The night before the operation, a nurse used a chart to ask him a series of yes and no questions that ultimately ruled a pregnancy test wasn't required.'

Wouldn't the answers have been, yes I've had sex, my last period was three months ago and I've been throwing up.

Unless she looked exactly like a man, and the nurse thought she was being forced to do the politically correct thing of asking a man if he could possibly be pregnant, so rushed through it as a tick box exercise.

I agree the hospital were at fault for promising a test and not giving one. However I do wonder what the questions and responses were to make the nurse consider it wasn’t needed.

*While the hospital ...

In an email from the hospital, Mr Pohlner was told that depending on his last period or if he was sexually active that he may require a pregnancy test.

Presumably Mr Pohlner, being a mother to several children, knows that having PIV sex may result in pregnancy. Pregnancy tests are available over the counter. From the supermarket. Online. Etc.

When the hospital should do a pregnancy test as a matter of course, I wonder whether they were tiptoeing around the issue to avoid causing offence.

Ironic that Mr Pohlner elected to have surgery at the Women's Hospital.

I thought All female patients were given pregnancy test regardless ?

Surely this highlights the stupidity of allowing people to change sex markers. And all this " training" that terrifies staff into thinking anything that alerts a patient to their sex will get them into trouble.( remember the broken arm fiasco)

The medical field should never have allowed themselves to become captured like this. People will die. Taking a pregnancy test isn't a value judgement. Its not there to prove you know nothing about your teenage daughters life or you can't be trusted to use a condom or that your identity is not valid. Its there to ensure they don't potentially kill you or remove the choice about what to do with a pregnancy.

Staff should not have to be running scared of upsetting patients. There should be no confusion over what questions you can ask.

And as I've just said on another thread. Can the answers of someone who is denying biological reality even be trusted.

I would imagine that the pre-operation medications plus the initial cuts for the operation would be quite a shock to the body. It might be sufficient for a miscarriage to be triggered even if they stopped and closed up as soon as they discovered the foetus.

Why didn't they say anything then? Couldn't be there's some rewriting of history here? I can't imagine anyone if they were so set on having a pregnancy test just accepting a nurse saying no.

It is standard policy to ALWAYS have a pregnancy test before a hysterectamy. The Hospital cocked up here

Judge*

None of us know do we, this is where it gets cloudy and lots of people don't know how to deal with someone presenting and pretending to be a man when they are actually a woman. Undoubtedly this woman should have still had a pregnancy test, but I wouldn't just the nurse without knowing the answers to the questions. I wonder if this woman wasn't pregnant if they'd have ran to social media to state how the transphobic nurse forced me to have a pregnancy test even though I'm a man.

To add, in order to be accepted for surgery, individuals usually have live as the gender they wish to acquire for a period of time and complete psychological assessment. Requirements vary between countries and providers.

Inevitably, there is information online about how to "pass" psychological assessments. This can lead to those wanting surgery giving rehearsed answers instead of answering truthfully.

Bottom line? Don't lie to HCP to get what you think you want.
And definitely don't then complain if it turns out that what you said you wanted and lied to get, doesn't live up to expectations.

Given the patient requested a pregnancy test before the surgery and wasn't given one, I'm fairly sure this sounds like a hospital issue.

In answer to your last point, apparently the placenta was growing into the C-section scar, which would have meant a hysterectomy was needed in any event.

I am not a medic and don't know if that's best practice, but that's what was in the article.

'The night before the operation, a nurse used a chart to ask him a series of yes and no questions that ultimately ruled a pregnancy test wasn't required.'

Looks like a hospital mistake to me, surely they should always do a test regardless of some questions

So woman had sex with man and gets pregnant.

Because of "make believe " accepts no responsibility and its the Hospitals fault.🙄

Of course being trans was relevant:

The night before the operation, a nurse used a chart to ask him a series of yes and no questions that ultimately ruled a pregnancy test wasn't required.

It’s highly likely the answers to these questions would have been influenced by medical treatments such as testosterone. The patient could well have had suppressed menstruation as a result, didn’t think it was possible to be pregnant. They should have done a test anyway, but it’s likely being trans clouded judgement.

Why, when they discovered it was a 4 month gravid uterus, didn’t they stop?

Gosh, the patient knew they were having PIV intercourse, knew the risk of pregnancy and didn't do a test? That's quite irresponsible. I feel sorry for the poor Dr who encountered this situation probably quite a disturbing event for them

As someone with experience of dealing with healthcare complaints, I'm getting a sense of where there's blame there's a claim. Or in the case of the private sector, a refund.

This individual had had previous pregnancies.
They knew how to obtain a pregnancy test.
Despite this, they appear to have given ambiguous information (at best) to the nurse checking the likelihood of pregnancy.
They were electing to have surgery to change their gender appearance in order to live their interpretation of maleness. That doesn't sound to me like someone wishing to continue with a pregnancy.

The activist protests too much.

When they were told by the nurse a pregnancy test wouldn't be necessary, any reason they couldn't have taken some self responsibility? If they were having unprotected sex with a man and presumably not using any contraception then why didn't they say yes there is a chance? This is the issue with this gender bullshit, when it comes to medical treatment sex is important. I wonder if having to probably refer to this woman as a man made the nurse unsure about whether they'd be cancelled or called transphobic for carrying out a rational pre op check.

I can't believe that this actually happened.

Words fail me.

Or? *Not even

Have you actually read the article?

They knew the patient was female. A pregnancy test was assured. A checklist of questions was asked. The hospital messed up by or actually doing the pregnancy test.

given that this person was going for a hysterectomy, no one would have been in any doubt about their biological sex

Yes, it does seem as if this was nothing to do with the patient being trans and was simply a cock-up on the part of the hospital. They should have done a pregnancy test, and didn't.

Having said that, it seems incredible that this person didn't conduct their own pregnancy test. Why wouldn't you?