Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

So no responsibility at all for them to take a test themselves? Is that due to their special status?

Personal responsibility is something seriously lacking in trans ideology at all levels. Drs seem to have no idea what to do with patients. They seem.surprised at the obvious. Patients seem to expect the safety net lf everyone else doing the thinking for them so they don't ever have to face reality and the consequences of their decisions to deny it.

We would not believe an anorexic if they said they'd eaten that morning.

They'd not believe a drug addict that they hadn't taken drugs that day.

Yet people who very clearly are denying what you can see in front of you can be believed instantly even if it puts their lives at risk?

Doesnt make sense at all.

The hospital should have tested.

But the patient shouldn't be allowed to circumnavigate questions and if they did. If , because we don't actually know, but if they did then that's on them too. Words don't change reality.

Hospitals should always do a pregnancy test on any female of childbearing age before this type of surgery.

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test".

Were they prevented from purchasing a test and doing it?
As pp has said, they recently had PIV sex as a female, with a male, so it's always a possibility.
My sympathy lies with the baby and staff who will have likely been traumatised by performing the operation.

I'm sure there is more to come out, but for me, the biggest question is why they didn't do a pregnancy test. That's a cock up.

And I don't think you should be relying on patients to do one of their own, either. Or say they have.

Just count the number of accidental pregnancies. Tons. There should have been tests to check either way.

Well, there you have it.

Biology.

This is a very disturbing story though, and I don’t wish upset on anyone whatever their sex or gender.

The patient should have been more open about the biological possibility of pregnancy. The hospital should have been aware that openness may be compromised Because Dysphoria, and anyway should surely do all tests on an objective basis, whoever the patient. Childbearing age with ovaries and uterus: do a pg test.

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I missed that. In which case, the nurse must've known she was talking to a woman.

In answer to your last point, apparently the placenta was growing into the C-section scar, which would have meant a hysterectomy was needed in any event.

I read that too, but wasn't sure what it meant? Would a hysterectomy have been needed after the birth, or did it mean the pregnancy was never viable in the first place?

It's an odd one. Because it's my understanding that pregnancy tests are so routine that not to do one would have to be supported by a pretty good reason.

The main one of which is that you're a man.

I wonder if the upshot of this is that men everywhere are going to be subjected to a bloody pregnancy test. Rather than dealing with whatever the issue actually was.

Horrific.

So no responsibility at all for them to take a test themselves? Is that due to their special status?

The patient was told there would be a pregnancy test. A medical person then told them they didnt need one.

All this person wanted was to make sure pregnancy tests were always done in future to rule out this happening again, that's hardly a terrible thing to raise awareness of.

The trans thing is a red herring.

The hospital staff messed up here. Yes the patient could have done a pregnancy test themselves but a hysterectomy shouldnt rely on a patient having done one anyway, as there are some patients who wouldnt be able to comply with this (mental health issues, lack of money etc)

The patient being trans is relevant if it led to the patient answering questions wrongly or the nurse making the wrong conclusion from them if there is fallibility in those questions.

I wonder how many actual men you get in a women's hospital?

Isn’t it the case that after a certain stage in pregnancy, the poas type pregnancy tests come back negative? And in that case an ultrasound would have been needed?

Not really the point but it’s pretty distasteful that they are illustrating this article with pictures of live full term babies.

Wouldn't the answers have been, yes I've had sex, my last period was three months ago and I've been throwing up.

But it also could well be:

Yes I’ve had sex and I haven’t had period in ages but that’s normal for the testosterone I’m on and I can’t get pregnant on testosterone.

And a nurse who’s naive and inexperienced enough to believe it.

Two holes lining up in the classic Swiss cheese model of root cause analysis of medical error.

To me this seems very typically of the hospital fuck-ups that happened during covid.

Bullshit.

The only people responsible for this horror are the hospital.
Someone failed to a fundamental part of the preparation before a hysterectomy which is a pregnancy test.

Transmen can pass far more than transwomen.

I wonder if the nurse wasn't aware of what surgery was about to happen, and genuinely thought she was talking to a man.

Nurse completed yes or No questioner with the patient before op ?

it's called taking responsibility.
This person had sex with a man.. .result pregnant.

I think the hospital were at fault here, I’m a lesbian married to a woman, so no chance of pregnancy what so ever, I have had a few procedures and I tell them this and they still make me take a test.

The patient being trans is irrelevant - the hospital performed a hysterectomy on someone who was pregnant. It doesn't matter the reason for the hysterectomy.

The hospital has a new procedure to test for pregnancy, I wonder whether this is standard elsewhere or not.