Transman loses baby during hysterectomy

My periods can be up to 5 months apart due to my pcos

Would it also have been my fault if i didnt accurately remember exactly when I had sex 5 months ago?

It doesn’t matter if a woman does a pregnancy test. How is the hospital supposed to believe it’s been done on the day of the op? Or by the woman? It has to be done by the hospital. They didn’t because of answers to a questionnaire.

Yes. If the trans issue has led to some bad decisions, it's decisions made by the hospital that are relevant.

trans ideology should not be affecting their procedures.

But that's not true. The hospital didn't do pregnancy tests as standard for any women.

They rely on women to answer a series of questions to determine whether or not a pregnancy test is needed. That's a stupid system and I'm glad they've changed it.

And by “their fault” I mean the hospital. Not “their” referring to the patient🙄

I would have thought the GC and feminist line would have been:

For the safety of all women a pregnancy test should always be done. Because some women might be in a position where they have to have a hysterectomy but are not capable of knowing if they are pregnant and because some women carry babies to full term without realising they are pregnant

But apparently according to some on this thread its:

Its the woman's own fault if this happens, she should remember when she last had sex, she should do her own pregnancy test and it doesnt sound like she wanted to continue with a pregnancy anyway

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test".

No, if the woman didn’t identify as a trans man, the hospital would have done a pregnancy test. It’s extra negligent of the hospital - not the patient - because they allowed ideological beliefs to get in the way of standard medical care. It’s entirely their fault.

Not buying it. They knew the patient had a uterus and in this case that's the only information that was necessary in order to decide to test.

This is a hospital fuck up. Those poor poor staff in the theatre, this would take me a long time to recover from in their position.

Did you really just refer to a human being as an "it"?

And yet people will deny mumsnet is transphobic.

It wasn't standard to conduct pregnancy tests in this hospital, it was only mandatory if the answers indicated there was a chance. This has rightfully now be changed, but the questions were around menstruation and sexual activity- I'd be interested to know the answers given that made the nurse say they didn't need a test. It's also disingenuous for the reasons mentioned previously to discount the impact of a woman's hospital having to play along with someone's delusions on being a man.

I completely agree.

And although, from my gender critical point of view, I don't think their trans status should've had the slightest impact, I can't help wondering whether or not it has.

When the NHS are capable of denying that a woman was raped on a female ward because 'no man was present', you cannot underestimate the mind boggling decision-making based on this ideology.

I rather suspect that if this woman didn't identify as a trans man, there wouldn't be the comments of "it's all her fault, she should have taken a pregnancy test".

Agreed

The only reason people are victim blaming is because the patient was trans. This is a traumatic event due to medical negligence.

Actually no, the responsibility to test lies squarely with the hospital. I've had to test before all sorts of procedures, it's not generally optional.

Having to tread around being supposed to accept lies and accept biological reality isn't an easy dance to do.

Particularly in the completely captured Australia.

I agree

I am infertile, have a coil and cannot get pregnant. But I have still had to have a pregnancy test before a medical procedure that could cause a miscarriage because the process is standardised to avoid situations like this.

And yes i think the comments would be very different if it wasnt trans related

The hospital have changed their policy and all women now get a blood test. Presumably the questions asked have been sufficient up to this point as don't recall seeing this being a widespread or even local issue before. If the person said no I don't have periods due to my medication or whatever then again I think some underestimate the impact of trans ideology and the 'fear' of getting it wrong. If the nurse has said well regardless you need a test in another world they'd be disciplined for it. There should be clear processes and guidance in healthcare settings that protects both patients and staff. Having to tread around being supposed to accept lies and accept biological reality isn't an easy dance to do.

Exactly. This apples to women and women who identify as men.

I think a lot of the comments here are borne from the fact this patient is a trans man. Were the patient a woman I would bet there would be nothing but sympathy, and none of this victim blaming "she lied to get the operation, why didn't she take her own pregnancy test" etc. Its extremely unpleasant.

I agree. I can't get pregnant and still had to have a pregnancy test before surgery on my foot last year. Its standard practice and clearly should have been done beforehand.

The nurse would have been doing the pre op so would have been aware of what the op was.

I work in a hospital and our policy is anyone of child bearing age gets a pregnancy test (if relevant to the procedure). I think the hospital messed up. Obviously the patient was negligent as well, but that doesn’t excuse the hospital not performing the test when they should have. It should be done regardless of whether the patient thinks they won’t be pregnant to prevent situations such as this, because patients can and do lie, unfortunately.

He was having a hysterectomy so the hospital would have been aware they were operating on a woman. The hospital fucked up by not doing a pregnancy test before surgery.

You mean 'woman loses baby ...' as it is clearly only women who can get pregnant. Anyway, that sounds horrific, and as this was indeed a woman, with female reproductive organs, there should indeed have been a pregnancy test. Seems like you would remember if you had had PIV sex in the last 4 months though, particularly if you were claiming to be a 'man', so not all the hospital's fault - you would assume they at least asked the question.

'The placenta was growing into his c section scar' that is terrifying no one told me that was a risk when I had an elective c section!