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Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 01:54

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/07/snp-mp-mhairi-black-accused-of-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mhairi Black said that “bad actors” and “50-year-old Karens” were responsible for the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/scotland-young-children-trans-puberty-blockers-health/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/joanna-cherry-scottish-mp-comedy-club-apology-gender-trans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">disagreed with her views on such issues could not be “decent” people.

“There are definitely <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/gender-critical-books-hidden-librarians-calderdale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

“And they’re also using this small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide amongst themselves.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”

And lots more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist/ which can be read on https://archive.ph

Interesting that other news reports dont include her making these remarks:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/definite-bad-actors-debate-trans-143603944.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mhairi-black-westminster-snp-holyrood-christian-b2389561.html

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

The Scottish nationalists’ deputy Westminster leader accuses ‘bad actors’ of hijacking debate over transgender rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist

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Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2023 06:13

I saw this on Twitter and thought Victoria Smith really hit the nail on the head -

'Funny how someone who was such a vocal supporter of the WASPI campaign is comfortable sneering at "50-year-old Karens" when she feels they've spoken out of turn. Older women are good enough to boost Black's profile, but god forbid they should do politics, too.'

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 05:58

I dread to think what job her mates in the Scottish government will find for her when she leaves Westminster.

AutumnCrow · 09/08/2023 05:53

I thought she was supposed to be smart? This is just drivel for dummies.

She’s quite middle class really isn’t she?

Backstreets · 09/08/2023 05:53

I remember when she was the great young hope. What an utter clown she turned out to be, and not just because of her adolescent TRA antics.

I admit I always find it extra weird when comfortably GNC women can’t look through this shit but I suppose the younger variety has a big chance of having gender specials in their social circle.

NitroNine · 09/08/2023 05:33

those who made “intellectual” arguments against extending trans rights were akin to past generations who claimed non-white ethnic groups were inferior
Whereas the pseudo-intellectual arguments for trampling all over women’s rights of course bear no relation to the literal millennia of men declaring, documenting, “diagnosing” & even dissecting women’s supposed inferiorities. You’d hope politician could do better than regurgitating Twitter talking points from the US - I note she did manage to omit reference to segregated bathrooms, which puts her ahead of an alarming number of people 🤔

As for racist, nice to see a white British politician making so free with “Karen”; a word (like woke) that’s been ripped from the black community & had its meaning mangled by white people into simply being a misogynistic + ageist slur. The Karen-ing in the context Mhairi describes is done by TW who use their social capital to [try to] get their way (even if it harms others) without censure - your one who kicked off on Twitter about getting given the key to the unisex changing room is an example of it.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”
This whole “dark money” business - I’m sorry what’s allegedly being funded with this filthy lucre? I mean, it’s quite patently a lie - if nothing else (& I know there are lots of other women with receipts) Beira’s Place is funded by JK Rowling. Of course, perhaps (past) unfavourable coverage of her expenses claims has her trying to get everyone to look at others’ piggybanks & pocketmoney [plans].

Christian fundamentalists are not my cup of tea. However, I am not an MP, so do not have to represent any in Parliament. Paisley’s plethora of churches includes more than one evangelical church; a Baptist church; & a Mormon temple - so Mhairi will have constituents who hold views [almost] identical to those of the groups she is casually villainising above. I know she’s not standing again at the next election, but…

“To me, a decent person is someone who tries to make others comfortable and accept them, particularly when it’s a marginalised, oppressed group.
That’s just human progress. And to me being decent is being part of that progress, not hindering it.”
I would genuinely love to know why Mhairi Black doesn’t consider any of the many groups of women who need single sex spaces & services deserving of acceptance & feeling comfortable. And indeed how & why she doesn’t consider any of the following examples to be marginalised & oppressed: Orthodox Jewish women & girls; Muslim & Hindu women & girls & girls who practice purdah; nuns; GRT women & girls (perhaps she just hasn’t had time to read the 2019 WEC Report yet 🤷‍♀️); [disabled] women who want female-only [intimate] care [as CSA/DV/FGM/rape/SA survivors]; & the refugee & asylum seeker women & girls who fall across those categories & have massive amounts of additional trauma to process.
When a TW joins a women-only swimming session or gym session it becomes mixed-sex. For many of the groups of women & girls above, that means they’re no longer able to participate. The loss of the Hampstead Heath Women’s Pond in this way is a particularly cruel example. Somehow, though, this grown woman who particpates in running the country believes it is “progress” to force other women from the public sphere; & to prioritise the wishes of males over the needs of females. To me that sounds horrifically regressive - & certainly not decent - but what would I know? I’m not an MP, just a woman who needs single-sex spaces & services, living in an area where that’s true of lots of the population.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333323/amp/Furious-trans-woman-blasts-hotel-spa-staff-asked-wanted-use-unisex-changing-rooms-says-experience-spoilt-day.html?ico=amp_articleInlineText

Goodviibrations · 09/08/2023 03:46

There are definitely bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

... Is she talking about TRAs here? Because if not, this is one hell of a projection!

Coyoacan · 09/08/2023 03:36

Oddly enough, the algorithms of YouTube keep on bringing up gender critical black Republican voters for me. They sound quite moderate (though I don't what they think about economics or migrants), but they are definitely not white supremacists.

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2023 03:02

Goodness me, but she's as daft as a brush. She's simply repeating TRA mantras, without any investigation into the truth of them.

AmbleInAnnBoleyn · 09/08/2023 02:38

Oh! In which case I apologise to HQ. Oops.

IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 02:11

try this if the arc hive link in the OP doesn't work.

That is the archive link! I thought the mumsnet rule was you should post the actual archive link, but can signpost readers to it!!!!

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AmbleInAnnBoleyn · 09/08/2023 02:01

Gender-critical campaigners akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black (archive.ph) try this if the arc hive link in the OP doesn't work.

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