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Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 01:54

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/07/snp-mp-mhairi-black-accused-of-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mhairi Black said that “bad actors” and “50-year-old Karens” were responsible for the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/scotland-young-children-trans-puberty-blockers-health/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/joanna-cherry-scottish-mp-comedy-club-apology-gender-trans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">disagreed with her views on such issues could not be “decent” people.

“There are definitely <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/gender-critical-books-hidden-librarians-calderdale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

“And they’re also using this small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide amongst themselves.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”

And lots more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist/ which can be read on https://archive.ph

Interesting that other news reports dont include her making these remarks:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/definite-bad-actors-debate-trans-143603944.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mhairi-black-westminster-snp-holyrood-christian-b2389561.html

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

The Scottish nationalists’ deputy Westminster leader accuses ‘bad actors’ of hijacking debate over transgender rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 17:39

Another aspect of this that is depressing is that this talk was roundly applauded by its audience, and the venue didn't need to employ security tactics.

ie a speech that had it been directed at one of the other protected characteristics would have been challenged as being hate speech.

Meanwhile as part of the same overall event Joanna Cherry's talk has had to have security put in place.

And all she wants to do is talk about women's rights.

Do the media create this atmosphere or do they merely publish / broadcast what they think their users want to hear?

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ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 17:24

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-mhairi-black-westminsters-laziest-mp/

'Of all the SNP’s 2015 intake who remain in parliament, Black has made the fewest spoken contributions — and by a rather large margin.SNP MP Alison Thewliss has taken part in 1,197 debates, while Alan Brown has spoken in 1,148. Philippa Whitford has spoken 1,384 times and Carol Monaghan 1,008 across more than 600 debates each. Black’s spoken contributions, however, span a mere 134 debates and come in at a rather underwhelming number of, er, 247.'

Is Mhairi Black Westminster's laziest MP?

Black’s spoken contributions, however, span only 134 debates and come in at a rather underwhelming number of, er, 247. Dear oh dear.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-mhairi-black-westminsters-laziest-mp

IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 17:21

I see the Times article does also not report the remarks the Telegraph has made their headline.

Why is this? Wasn't it said and the Telegraph made it up? And if it was said why wouldn't the Times include, if not the actual quote, the inference of what was said.

The Times article has also been archived at https://archive.ph for when the share token expires. But articles archived do not include comments.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/08/2023 17:04

Well there will at least be one fewer arsehole in Westminster when Mhairi leaves

IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 17:04

What is quite disconcerting is how 2 other newspapers (links in OP) reported on the same event and carefully failed to report her more offensive comments.

I know papers are partisan, but it is so hypercritical that they will call out a right winger for offensive comments (quite rightly) but seem they feel no obligation to act in the same way towards someone on the left (or maybe she isn't left but just SNP).

Or suspect it is because they dont think insulting women is anything to be concerned about. (Not forgetting the audience applauded as did the crown in Trafalgar Square for MJB)

And then we get commentators on FWR saying we are all right wing because we are always quoting right wing papers. If we only quoted supposedly left / liberal papers by now the erasure of women would be nearly complete.

So I am really disgusted by MB but overall I am really concerned that women's sex based rights still only have a toe hold in the wider public. And we certainly cant trust the MSM to represent us. And they try to make out they are so superior to SM.

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ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 16:59

'Ms Black, who was one of the youngest MPs in history when she was elected in 2015, is known as the first person to use the C-word in the Commons'

'she said she was leaving Westminster, which is still her place of work until the 2024 General Election, because it is filled with “a*holes”'

She'd be kicked out of a pub for that behaviour. But I'm sure plenty of opportunities will open up for her after politics. Who wouldn't want someone like this for a colleague?

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/foul-mouthed-mhairi-black-says-30657079

Foul-mouthed Mhairi Black says Westminster is full of 'a***holes'

The soon-to-be former SNP MP made the crude comment on stage at the Edinburgh Fringe where she also stated that her vote would be 'up for grabs' if the Nats break up the UK

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/foul-mouthed-mhairi-black-says-30657079

RebelliousCow · 09/08/2023 16:52

Fenlandia · 09/08/2023 11:18

The whole having a pop at 50 year olds is so weird, among all the other egregious nonsense. When I was very little I couldn't imagine being 30 years old as that was such a Big Number, but Mhairi is 28. Does she not imagine she will be 50 one day and might not think the same way about everything as she does now?

All of that disdain for older women; women are even doing it to each other now.

Heliotroper · 09/08/2023 16:45

She reminds of the Clare Grogan character in Father Ted

"The Pope closed down a lot of the factories that were makin' the potatoes and turned them into prisons for children. "

Heliotroper · 09/08/2023 16:30

I wouldn't be surprised if Mhairi was being paid by Big Pharma as nearly everything she accuses people of she is guilty of herself.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/08/2023 16:12

TheGreatATuin · 09/08/2023 07:31

When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.
This is pure conspiracy theory. If Mhairi is that gullible, she's not fit to be an MP.

As opposed to the funding from B— Ph——, you mean?

SirChenjins · 09/08/2023 16:08

Absolutely brilliant piece from Shelagh F there. Insightful, intelligent, thoughtful, measured - all the things that Mhairi Black, who has become a national embarrassment, is not. I sincerely hope Black is reflecting upon her offensive choice of words and comes to realise what a complete tosser she is.

FigRollsAlly · 09/08/2023 16:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2023 09:37

I don't think she has many moral qualms about being economical with the truth.

Yes, I wouldn’t describe her as gullible. She is Trumpian in the claims she makes and their ridiculous, bare faced nastiness. As for being mistaken for a man, just more unbelievable claims.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 16:07

Black has skills beyond domestic politics - she's even managed to offend people internationally.

'Crass and offensive' - seems to be how she will be remembered.

https://www.theirishvoice.com/news/mhairi-blacks-reference-to-plastic-irishmen-is-totally-unacceptable-for-a-member-of-parliament/

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 15:56

OldCrone · 09/08/2023 08:02

I honestly don’t understand how voters make the decision to vote in a 20 year old as Black was initially.

I think it had more to do with her being SNP than a personal endorsement. The SNP went from 6 MPs in 2010 to 56 in the 2015 election out of a total of 59 Scottish seats in the HoC.

She was the great new hope for Scottish politics. Stirring, passionate, apparently committed, she made at least one speech that was inspiring. I had high hopes for her.

I'm absolutely shocked and gutted at what she's become. I'm embarrassed for Scotland on her behalf. She's supposed to be representing her constituents, and instead she's making up ridiculous conspiracy theories, talking absolute mince, and using slurs and insults that a school child would find cringeworthy. It's gross, stupid, and inflammatory.

Damn it, Scotland was looking so hopeful and so exciting. We were going to be a great wee country. And I'm actually ashamed at the state of our politics right now.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/08/2023 15:45

Mhairi Black is akin to a blithering idiot.

maltravers · 09/08/2023 15:40

“50 year old Karens”…so sexism, ageism and racism all within four words. Middle aged white women, know your place! You have no right to any opinion! What a loss to the Scottish parliament she’ll be.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/08/2023 15:21

Shelagh doing a stonking job!

RealityFan · 09/08/2023 15:20

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2023 15:13

*RealityFan" · Today 14:19

I know someone who has first hand knowledge of Mhari and her galaxy sized intellect.

The kind of Galaxy you get in a box of Celebrations?

The kind of galaxy that is 99.9999999999999999999% empty space (between the ears).

RealityFan · 09/08/2023 15:18

nepeta · 09/08/2023 14:45

It's always fun to see which demographic groups various political parties believe they can freely ridicule or insult or describe based on false generalisations.

When I was more innocent I thought that only the racist-sexist-classist right fringe did this freely, but it's now perfectly acceptable for progressives to be openly misogynistic and ageist, as long as they limit their misogyny and ageism to only some types of women.

It's still falsely generalising from some individuals' behaviour to millions of people in a particular demographic group, which makes it regressive, not progressive.

Remember, the Right are quite happy in being nasty doing stuff. But the Left, are...collegiate, supportive, raising up the powerless.
Once you put that on your t-shirt, your kindness has a lot of power.

And if a previously supported group needs to budge up and move over to make the space bigger for a minority who's life has been Hell and who's members are all on the verge of suicide, especially the children, well then there's no argument from the Left...they will be prioritised.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/08/2023 15:17

caramacyears · 09/08/2023 10:13

Why are you posting this?

Is this another thing you aren't interested in?

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2023 15:13

*RealityFan" · Today 14:19

I know someone who has first hand knowledge of Mhari and her galaxy sized intellect.

The kind of Galaxy you get in a box of Celebrations?

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/08/2023 15:10

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nepeta · 09/08/2023 14:45

It's always fun to see which demographic groups various political parties believe they can freely ridicule or insult or describe based on false generalisations.

When I was more innocent I thought that only the racist-sexist-classist right fringe did this freely, but it's now perfectly acceptable for progressives to be openly misogynistic and ageist, as long as they limit their misogyny and ageism to only some types of women.

It's still falsely generalising from some individuals' behaviour to millions of people in a particular demographic group, which makes it regressive, not progressive.

RealityFan · 09/08/2023 14:19

I know someone who has first hand knowledge of Mhari and her galaxy sized intellect.

"Thick as mince" I believe is the verdict.

She's getting out before the SNP ship fully capsizes. Expect a rout in 2024. Starmer's majority will block out the sun.

fromorbit · 09/08/2023 13:16

Mhairi Black's comments make no sense. If the threat from these evil 50 year old women is so bad why are you leaving Parliament? Why abandon the fight? Especially when you get paid 80,000 grand to do it. Yes Parliament is an alienating place. Yet for a hundred years a whole bunch of women managed to do their jobs, changed the UK, because they thought it was important.

The TRAs are not doing well in their representation if Mahari can't be bothered to do more than make snide comments. One notes there is no sign of Jo Cherry, Rosie and others giving up in their fight for women's rights despite the rubbish they endure.

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