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Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 01:54

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/07/snp-mp-mhairi-black-accused-of-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mhairi Black said that “bad actors” and “50-year-old Karens” were responsible for the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/scotland-young-children-trans-puberty-blockers-health/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/joanna-cherry-scottish-mp-comedy-club-apology-gender-trans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">disagreed with her views on such issues could not be “decent” people.

“There are definitely <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/gender-critical-books-hidden-librarians-calderdale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

“And they’re also using this small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide amongst themselves.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”

And lots more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist/ which can be read on https://archive.ph

Interesting that other news reports dont include her making these remarks:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/definite-bad-actors-debate-trans-143603944.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mhairi-black-westminster-snp-holyrood-christian-b2389561.html

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

The Scottish nationalists’ deputy Westminster leader accuses ‘bad actors’ of hijacking debate over transgender rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist

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Dougalskeeper · 10/08/2023 01:30

She is a muppet.

NitroNine · 09/08/2023 22:13

Do have to wonder quite how she feels she can justify her staggering expenses claims when her parliamentary contributions are practically non-existent.

(As a side note, politicians being able to claim for food & drink rather than having to purchase all their meals from their (extremely generous) salaries baffles me. I know the House sits late sometimes. Maybe Civil Servants providing advice on the [proposed] legislation could also teach MPs how to make themselves a packed supper 🤔

RealityFan · 09/08/2023 22:08

Looking forwards to the Nicola Sturgeon memoirs out soon, where Mhari is described as "caring, for all her constituents, Karen and non Karen alike"

SirChenjins · 09/08/2023 21:56

She needs to be aware that her sexist, misogynistic slur on women aged 50 insults the largest demographic. A quick google search tells me “there were approximately 401,000 people aged between 55 and 59 in Scotland in 2021, the most of any age group in that year”.

I understand she’s enjoying her notoriety and moment in the spotlight as the gobby fish-frying burd fae Paisley but if she wants to be taken seriously as a politician then she’s going to have to do a whole lot better than shout childish insults at a huge swathe of voters.

JanesLittleGirl · 09/08/2023 21:56

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 21:06

Mhari has got stuck in her 19 year old persona because that is who she was elected as - it's literally a role and she is stuck playing it.

Yes, that makes sense - a kind of audience capture.

I think she's gone too far into one aspect of the role, though. She was elected, I imagine, largely because her constituents wanted to see independence. And possibly partly because she was a pretty stirring orator, especially for someone so young.

But she seems to have landed on 'Mouthy Working Class Swears a Lot' persona, and neglected the essential addition of insight, nuance, and honesty. Those were also what her constituents admired in her, I would think.

Just insulting people and being sneery is not admirable.

Did she never think of actually representing her constituents?

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 21:06

Mhari has got stuck in her 19 year old persona because that is who she was elected as - it's literally a role and she is stuck playing it.

Yes, that makes sense - a kind of audience capture.

I think she's gone too far into one aspect of the role, though. She was elected, I imagine, largely because her constituents wanted to see independence. And possibly partly because she was a pretty stirring orator, especially for someone so young.

But she seems to have landed on 'Mouthy Working Class Swears a Lot' persona, and neglected the essential addition of insight, nuance, and honesty. Those were also what her constituents admired in her, I would think.

Just insulting people and being sneery is not admirable.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/08/2023 20:49

I actually feel sorry for her, to an extent. Most of us have idiotic views in our late teens/early 20s, coupled with an unshakeable sense of our own rightness. Many of us adopt fake aspects to our persona as a front, to conform socially or to conceal social anxiety - we pretend to like things we don't really like (clubbing! subtitled arty films!). Usually we mature and gain the courage to be more authentically ourselves. But Mhari has got stuck in her 19 year old persona because that is who she was elected as - it's literally a role and she is stuck playing it.

She also looks incredibly unhealthy. I know all the rumours but, even allowing for those, she looks awful for a 28 year old. As much as I despise what she is doing to undermine women's rights, I hope she gets out of politics and sorts herself out.

mach2 · 09/08/2023 20:46

A Viz character suggests itself: Mhairi Black (she's smoking crack).

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 20:36

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/08/2023 20:28

Actually Mhairi isn't stupid. She has a 1st class degree from a good university. She is a middle-class (dad was a teacher) young woman, cos-playing a working class young woman. As she isn't actually working class, and never ventures outside her bubble of SNP sycophants, she assumes that working class people are stupid and coarse. Hence the idiotic statements and constant, performative swearing. She thinks working class = Waynetta Slob.

Yes, that is spot on. Maybe this is partly why I'm cringing for her. It's an insult to the many intelligent, hard working and astute working class people of Scotland.

If you've gone straight from uni into a highly paid role in politics I suppose one risk is that you have only a very crude grasp of this kind of social dynamic.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/08/2023 20:28

RealityFan · 09/08/2023 14:19

I know someone who has first hand knowledge of Mhari and her galaxy sized intellect.

"Thick as mince" I believe is the verdict.

She's getting out before the SNP ship fully capsizes. Expect a rout in 2024. Starmer's majority will block out the sun.

Actually Mhairi isn't stupid. She has a 1st class degree from a good university. She is a middle-class (dad was a teacher) young woman, cos-playing a working class young woman. As she isn't actually working class, and never ventures outside her bubble of SNP sycophants, she assumes that working class people are stupid and coarse. Hence the idiotic statements and constant, performative swearing. She thinks working class = Waynetta Slob.

MenWearOrnaments · 09/08/2023 20:03

Being called a "Karen" is actually a huge compliment, even if it's not meant that way.

It says you're not afraid to stand up for what you believe in, to confront others even when it's seen as socially unacceptable, to cast off the shackles of femininity that demand you to sit down and shut up.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 19:48

I see 'Karens' and 'Mhairi Black' are both trending on Twitter.

Moanthensmum · 09/08/2023 19:35

IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 17:39

Another aspect of this that is depressing is that this talk was roundly applauded by its audience, and the venue didn't need to employ security tactics.

ie a speech that had it been directed at one of the other protected characteristics would have been challenged as being hate speech.

Meanwhile as part of the same overall event Joanna Cherry's talk has had to have security put in place.

And all she wants to do is talk about women's rights.

Do the media create this atmosphere or do they merely publish / broadcast what they think their users want to hear?

I too find that so utterly depressing. The SNP who for such a long time I voted for and admired have just completely lost the plot. When one SNP politician actually tries to have a reasonable discussion with her colleagues she is bullied and belittled then threatened on social media to the point where police are involved and still there is no real change from colleagues or proper condemnation. However MB saying such horrible things (sexist, racist and ageist) about other women concerned about their sex based rights is not only applauded but held up as the standard to which the SNP should follow.

I am now politically homeless, disenfranchised, depressed and frankly, quite scared to be a women in Scotland. I really hope things change for the better. In my opinion the only way this will happen is if another "Isla" Bryson incident takes place, perhaps within the SNP/Green political parties themselves. Showing it up for what it actually is. However I reckon they are quite good at covering themselves; the current police investigation over the finances seems to be proving this and is going nowhere at the moment. And now our ex dear great leader is planning to write a book for 2025 about all her "achievements". I despair.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2023 18:49

What a shame that a politician that resorts to adhomien attacks, name calling and just repeating phrases she's read are cool in the US, in the absence of being able to make a coherent argument herself, isnt standing for re-election.

A damn shame an loss to the HoC.

What will it do without her intelligent, considered and well thought out input?

Ourladycheesusedatum · 09/08/2023 18:45

Froodwithatowel · 09/08/2023 18:27

I do plan to live until all these bright young things are 50, and then inquire how irrelevant and useless they feel. Suddenly I feel that ageism will become a new-found passionate interest.

I like the cut of your jib. I think I'll join you. It's only what 20 more years. I can survive that long.

Tanith · 09/08/2023 18:43

A grown up politician actually resorted to the infantile "Karen" insult??
Good heavens! Shock

JanesLittleGirl · 09/08/2023 18:42

VaddaABeetch · 09/08/2023 18:09

Mhairi is 28, she’ll blink & wake up 50. When she is a 50 year old white woman will she euthanise herself for society’s sake.

Do you think that she can count to 50?

VaddaABeetch · 09/08/2023 18:37

@Froodwithatowel ill join you. We can sit & cackle when they look bewildered.

Froodwithatowel · 09/08/2023 18:27

I do plan to live until all these bright young things are 50, and then inquire how irrelevant and useless they feel. Suddenly I feel that ageism will become a new-found passionate interest.

LoobiJee · 09/08/2023 18:26

Haven’t RTFT but….

“see if you’re a human being, you’re not an intellectual debate and nor should you be made to be one”

she actually said that? and with no sense of irony?

so activists can go around demanding that a male person who claims to feel themselves to be a member of the opposite sex should be treated as if they were a member of the opposite sex, and not only that, but should be believed to be a member of the opposite sex, but, in Mhairi Black world, that doesn’t count as turning that opposite sex into an intellectual debate?

Can she not hear herself?

VaddaABeetch · 09/08/2023 18:09

Mhairi is 28, she’ll blink & wake up 50. When she is a 50 year old white woman will she euthanise herself for society’s sake.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 18:04

I like the comments saying 'I am Karen'.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/08/2023 17:58

It's fine. If the SNP don't want the vote of '50 year old Karens' I'm sure there are other parties who do.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 09/08/2023 17:44

Black has previously said people have questioned her gender because she dresses differently

Who is doing that? Who created the atmosphere that said how you dress dictates gender? I’m reminded of that man screaming that he’s clearly a woman because he has a pink bag.

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