Stickering

My gosh you and or several other people have made a point already that most violent and sexual crimes are done by men. I certainly don’t dispute this. Are you saying it’s actually women who are doing this to transgender people? I think it’s much more likely men. Don’t you?
Yes statistics can be notoriously difficult and as you say a lot of them can be misleading at times.

While we’re on the point of statistics - do you know what percentage of improving anwa awareness of some people’s obvious transphobia and or fear of men / people with penises has been helped by buying and applying stickers to other people’s property? What is the actual aim of them?

Did anyone do any research suggesting the cleaners needed more work before giving themselves a pay on the back?

Don’t people have something better to do with their time and money? Statistics say we’re having our income squeezed more than ever. I’m sure the stickers are cheap but you could spend it on something more productive surely?

Would you say that if they were pro trans stickers? Because there are a lot of them around.

Hope the appropriate organisations fine you / ban you for defacing their property.

Here you go.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022

"due to significant improvements in police recorded crime made in recent years, it is uncertain to what degree the increase in police recorded hate crime is a genuine rise, or due to continued recording improvements and more victims having the confidence to report these crimes to the police"

Plus:

'Transgender identity hate crimes rose by 56 per cent (from 2,799 to 4,355) over the same period, the largest percentage annual increase in these offences since the series began. Transgender issues have been heavily discussed on social media over the last year, which may have led to an increase in related hate crimes.'

and

"A hate crime is any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on:"

a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender, including people who are transsexual, transgender, cross dressers and those who hold a Gender Recognition Certificate under the Gender Recognition Act 2004

Considering we already know of several people who have indeed been reported for 'hate crimes' due to their social media activity which does include being 'untowards to paedophiles' and for stickering and using words that people don't like, I think that you might want to revisit your use of this report. Unless you care to go through the actual data and try to match up what was assaults (physical attacks) and what was "any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on:"

Of course, no person should be threatened or assaulted, but also, note there is no statistics collated for hate crimes against women based on their sex category. Gosh.... imagine the stats for that!

So, in light of the article you posted (which also includes graffiti as a hate crime), would you like to clarify what you meant by "Most attacks are by men" and whether that relates to this data? If so, please post the link directly to that claim so we can all see it please.

Thanks Op, I've been inspired to go and get stickering, especially since a couple of posters here are getting riled by it.

Even if they get removed, the message gets seen so every little helps.

I did a Google on loss of male sexual function when using feminising hormones. Apparently, 3 out of 4 TWs are concerned about this. The good news for them is that loss of male sexual function and libido can be avoided simply by masturbating to ejaculation at least once every two days.

I guess that means that feminising hormones ain't protecting us.

Please link to the data behind this article. Just posting an article is lazy and is prone to spreading more misinformation.

For instance, please be very specific how many of these crimes that this article reports is for 'attacks' and what is 'misgendering'. Because any reader of this board knows that 'misgendering' was included in this hate crime report.

So, please don't be lazy and just post an article. Post the actual data and let's go through it.

The shame of a pictorial depiction of a set of ovaries! Oh... and the one with a shadow shape of a clitoris!

You really are reaching out of your depth aren't you.

Please continue with posting in this misogynistic way. You really are doing a great job here.

"Privacy and dignity- you are in a locked cubicle aren’t you when you are using the toilet? Is it just the washing your hands that worries you? Have you never washed your hands in mixed company before?"

You really don't seem to have much experience of the reality of female people's uses of toilets. Why is that?

mmm thoughts

can't wait

Are you replying to me?

I will ask you again, please provide evidence that males who transition are lowering their 'sexual urges'. Because you must also realise that testosterone suppression is very unreliable at the best of times. Hence the need to continually test for testosterone for sports for male competitors in the few sports that males are still allowed with lowered testosterone.

So suppression is unreliable, the only way to have it reliably suppression is testes removal. And very few have had this procedure. We know via published sources that male UK transitioners are not removing their penises or their testes. (Still waiting for your evidence to the contrary by the way) Therefore they rely on chemical suppression. If they even want it. And chemical suppression is unreliable.

Estrogen is not going to remove their 'urges'. It certainly grows breast tissue. And the growing sector of porn of males with estrogen or surgically enhanced breasts masturbating in the female toilets certainly proves that those enhanced breasts and a working penis is very much considered desirable. Unsurprisingly, the accounts that collected examples of these male porn self publishers were banned and the links lost.

However, it was all too easy to find the twitter porn with this category on it as well. All too often going to check out a profile led you to the porn posted by that profile. Even one of those male people in a policy influencing political role had it all over their profile. It is a feature for some of these male transitioners. Maybe you have also never heard of the transmaxxers? They used to come and tell us all about themselves. It was very enlightening.

That you don't seem to know this, or are trying to deny their existence, says a great deal about your posts here. And your intentions.

Well I asked for stats earlier and none were forthcoming yet. Once I have some I’ll review and share my thoughts.

The self importance is amusing.

Blimey.

the misinformation being spread on this thread is incredible to see.

"Many have had surgery so don’t have a penis"

90-95%+ males do not have their penis removed. Would you like to show some evidence of to support your statement? Because it is literally bollocks.

"Even when they don’t do you think they intend to do you harm because if this? Are you this afraid of 49% of the population who have high testosterone levels and or penises all the time?"

Got those statistics to support your assertions yet about how these male people taking hormones are supposedly less likely to commit sex crimes? No? Why is that?

The derision you give to this "Are you this afraid of 49% of the population who have high testosterone levels and or penises all the time?", is very clear. How many more times can you ignore the posts pointing out that 98% of sex crime is perpetrated by male people? Your posts describing women who wish to maintain sex segregation for their single sex spaces are very clear in the misogyny behind what you write.

"Most trans men take testosterone and this can increase their sexual interest. Does this worry you? Do you want them in ‘your’ space or in the men’s space as well?"

This has been addressed in posts that maybe you have not read.

Please stop weaponising female transitioners for your own political aims. Enough of them have told us that they understand the distress of women and girls and they will find alternative spaces.

Besides which, it is not a symmetrical argument. They have modified their body to take on male cues. Testosterone is more successful in doing this than Estrogen and surgery. They still have male cues.

Therefore, any person who is male should not be in a female toilet as they may cause women and girls distress. A female who has taken enough testosterone to make significant changes to their appearance and voice may also cause women and girl's distress. This group of female people should not be used to leverage in male people into female single sex spaces.

"Does the thought of risk that trans women face because you expect them to use the men’s toilets not concerned you? Do you want them to be exposed to risk?"

I think all readers can see the emotional manipulation behind these two questions. This is a distractive tactic. The reality is, it is NOT up to any woman or girl to find a solution for males who feel they cannot use the toilets established for the needs of all male people. It never was.

The combination of derision, misogynistic framing and emotional manipulation cannot disguise the paucity of the evidence to support your claims.

However, you are also spreading misinformation.

Risk to 10 year old girls of letting men use ladies loos whenever they feel like it

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-sex-offender-who-attacked-29765751.amp

I’ll just assume you’re good with a 10 year old girl being grabbed by the face by a 6 foot 3 man, forced into a toilet cubicle and ordered to remove her trousers shall I @Kit7 ?

these are the real life consequences of what you are advocating

Well I asked for stats earlier and none were forthcoming yet. Once I have some I’ll review and share my thoughts.

Oh and Kit my understanding is that the stay you linked to is dodgy AF as the definition of 'hate crime' is woolly / meaningless.

They we are emphatically not eg trans people being shouted at in the street or punched in the face.

If trans women are at risk from men, in men's loos, due to their appearance... Why is the answer for these trans women (biological men), including any and all men who say, before or after the event, that they are trans, to be allowed into the women's loo?

Why is putting women at risk the solution for men being at risk?

Why not sort out the men in the first place?

This is exactly the problem to me. Your immediate go-to solution to an indefinable group being at risk of harm from men is to make all women at risk from men. Do you see the misogyny in this?

And there are stats (I'm on a train with dodgy reception but I'm sure others will link) than 'trans women' as a group are statistically as or more likely to be o harm women than men as a group are.

Please explain the holes in this, I've asked before and no one is ever able to

That's not the sticker that I'm linking to. It's another one on the website. If you don't think it's appropriate to show children then don't show it to them. Let's assume everyone else is capable of making the same decision.

I pointed out that I am not advising anyone to litter or vandalise, that's all. No idea why you're so upset about that, given that you think that stickering is the devil's work.

I've not ordered from there before but will now so thanks.
I usually buy from KJK or Birdy Rose.
I was in London for a week in July and smiled every time I passed my ones in Victoria Station that stayed the whole time I was there.

The thread is about stickers being put in toilets. Do keep up. If you want to buy stickers and put them up in your own home or your own business then crack on. The link posted had clear things indicating women’s body parts. One sticker describes it as a clit!

Risk to trans women-
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hate-crime-transgender-uk-figures-b2196759.html amongst others easily available. Trans hate crime is high. Most attacks are by men. Since you think men or people with penises or used to be men are dangerous in the women’s toilets wouldn’t you think someone with boobs and a dress would be at risk in a men’s toilet?

As for prisons I’m not sure that’s relevant, unless the OP is stickering prisons too?

Here's another lovely one:

https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store/sticker/individual-stickers/trouble-making-witch-black-glitter-sticker/

Note, I am making no suggestions as to what you do with these stickers or where you should stick them. None of the stickers I have linked to have included any images of "female anatomical features" so no idea why you'd ask me that.

Back to stickers. Yes good idea to deface someone’s property for your vendetta.
don’t like the company’s inclusive approach - shop elsewhere.

https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store/sticker/individual-stickers/fuck-nice-raise-hell-feminist-sticker - two of these stickers depict female anatomical features. Are you going to expose children using these toilets to this for your own selfish reasons?

Does the thought of risk that trans women face because you expect them to use the men’s toilets not concerned you? Do you want them to be exposed to risk?

I believe that trans women could be at genuine risk in a prison, and they should be protected. But the answer isn't to move them over to a woman’s prison! That's crazy and just creates new risks for female prisoners.

The answer I think would be a new space specifically for trans women. Also, maybe try to keep order in prisons so people aren't being attacked in general.

As for toilets, is there any evidence that trans women are even at risk in that situation?

It's like that awful smug poster that was going around a while ago, "if you think someone shouldn't be in this space, keep it to yourself, they know better than you". Paraphrasing but more or less the words.

Well done!