Oh Trinny …

This episode just emphasised to me and I think to Skyler, that male and female bodies are so different. Trinny seemed unable to see or maybe just couldn’t accept this fact, couldn’t be seen to fail.
He couldn’t do the big shoulder jacket because he already has big shoulders, so it looked ridiculous, but when Trinny put that jacket on it look fab. Trying to balance hips and shoulders couldn’t work because he has no hips, you can’t emphasise a small waist because he doesn’t have a waist.

I thought the whole episode was desperately sad, even at the end he couldn’t wear that dress because he has false breasts and it would have been obvious in a skimpy dress, hence the skin coloured cover up underneath.

The only improvement was his hair. I preferred his original clothing and it would have been even better if he’d just rocked a great androgynous look, as a man.

It wasn't a celebrity homes map (not unreasonable to not want your address advertised to weirdos and stalkers); it was photographed during a coastal erosion survey. Only a few oceanographers and environmentalists would have ever read the report if she hadn't kicked up a legal fuss.

Foundation gets stuck in the beard growing pores.

I've been boycotting her for years for her relationship with Saatchi. I didn't know they'd split up (still extremely dubious of her to hook up with him in the first place).
A few years ago I saw Douglas Hodge, who's a good looking guy play the lead in La Cage Aux Folles, mostly in drag. He said that he'd always imagined that he'd look like Audrey Hepburn in drag but he looked like a truck driver. I bet most of them think they look like Audrey Hepburn.

Many, many years ago I had a bash at putting make up on my fella. It was my idea, the reason is lost in the depths of time. It just didn't work. Fell at the first hurdle. My foundation just wouldn't spread on his skin. His pores were really obvious. I had to slather it on so thick it looked ridiculous. Ruined my makeup sponge too, skin like a fecking microplane.

Perhaps oestrogen changes male skin. I read tw saying their skin felt softer. Perhaps that's true, perhaps they're kidding themselves.

It's from when Streisand's hone was put on a celebrity homes map. She kicked up a massive fuss which drew attention to the fact and more people came to look. If she had just kept quiet, no one would have really noticed.....

At the end when they were gazing at the mirror, Trinny had the oddest expression on her face. I'm likely to be projecting but it was almost a will I get away with this? Is this totally crazy?

I thought Skyler seemed quite fragile. I thought some of the outfits she put them in were hideous. I think the final outfit looked like an ice-skating outfit complete with the nylon-tights-like insert over the chest. I’d like to hear a bit of backstory because I sense there is one. Does Trinny know their Mum? Has Skyler been depressed and Trinny thought they could do with a bit of a pick me up? It was all so fawning and gushing - ‘I LURVE big shoulders!’ Maybe Trinny wants to carve out a role as one of those stylists that takes middle-aged transwomen shopping for their new womanly persona. I don’t think I’d be rushing to her going on that session. Good luck Trinny!

This is a great example of how the Streisand effect has impacted on my perception of trans women.....

What is the Streisand effect? I'm assuming you're referring to Barbra Streisand?

We’ll still looked like a bloke in a dress to me, which is fine where what you want etc, but stay out of women’s spaces, sport’s prisons and shortlists etc

He’s still a bloke in a dress.

I’m digressing slightly from the original post, but 30 plus years ago, it was acceptable ‘amusement’ for a white man to dress up and pretend to be black with exaggerated makeup emphasising what people perceived as stereotypical black features - eyes, lips etc. We are now quite rightly aware how offensive, unacceptable and patronising this sort of entertainment is to a whole group of society.

As a female, I actually feel the same about drag queens. Why is it acceptable for a bloke to dress up as a woman with exaggerated makeup and over sexualised mannerisms for entertainment? To me, DQ are mocking women, portraying than as stupid tarts. No ‘real’ woman dresses or behaves like that just as no black person dressed or behaved like the characters on the Black and White Minstrel Show.

Why have we not moved on and past this daft ‘culture’?
Blackface is unacceptable, so Womanface should be too.

Male skin is a lot thicker.

I think a lot of these companies are shooting themselves in the foot. I went into superdrug a few months back, and some cosmetic concessions had males on the advertising alongside females. It put me off those brands because the first thing that popped into my head was "why would I want to look like a man wearing makeup?" In fact, that's exactly what I don't want to look like. The whole Widow Twanky thing has always been a lurking meme about women and makeup.

It's the same for clothing. I'm female. Something that looks good on a male will be uncomfortable or look dreadful on me. An ad featuring a man wearing a dress means I'm not going to buy. Not because I don't think men should wear dresses, but because the cut won't work on me.

It's bizarre that everything we know about advertising has been thrown out of the window (and in the case of Bud Light, utterly tanked a brand). I can only think it's a new generation who are going to painfully learn how to remake the wheel.

None of them "pass". It's all so sick. We are not blind. Men are not women and never can be. I'm tired of shit like this being pushed in the mainstream.

It's that kind of fawning that's partly feeding the desire to "be" in this "status."

Not allowed to discuss the rest

I'd have been ok with it if not for the 'very special guest' reference at the start.

Well, there's a particular word I cannot use here.

That aside I do increasingly feel that some of these males are searching for a type of status and / or attention that's not really within the realm of the male stereotype.

The comments were on when I saw it and were very gush-y. I'd be interested to know what was added before it was all shut down if anyone saw.

Awww, I enjoyed that film, found it quite moving, thanks for posting.

It’s odd that Skyler’s younger sibling is also trans - Mum on the phone call sounded lovely and accepting, but I wonder how she really feels, and does she have any other children who are happy in their “assigned” sex?

There was a whole lot of affirmation going on. But Skyler looks old enough to make their own decisions, I’d’ve viewed this programme featuring a young teen in a very different way.

are we meant to applaud Trinny for affirming and enabling people’s delusions?

Thing is, it's just makeup and clothes- it has nothing to do with being a woman.

If gender exists in any sense then this is it. I don't see a problem with including men in this regressive, stereotyped nonsense.

I wonder if transwomen find women's make up doesn't work well for them? I just think there would be intrinsic difference in skin. A transwoman writes a beauty piece for the Times and have often wondered who the target audience is because both women and transwomen are making assumptions that our needs are similar. Are they? Make up has had to make major adjustments for black women because they were ignored, in the West, for years. Are the companies researching, or just on the make. Too few transwomen for them to make a commitment to a makeup range and I assume transwomen would object