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Oh Trinny …

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Furmitycorner798 · 08/08/2023 01:34

Have just watched the latest episode of her Takeover show on You Tube…

…I’m very disappointed…

… and to think I used to be a fan.😧

I’m sure she has done it to appear cool and relevant but if her target market for Trinny London is women of a certain age, then I think this might have the opposite effect. I for one am certainly reconsidering buying her products now.

I’m deliberately not commenting on the individual concerned who seemed a nice enough person, but speaking very generally, are we meant to applaud Trinny for affirming and enabling people’s delusions?

She did do a little piece to camera at the end acknowledging that some people watching the video “may not be understanding”.

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beguilingeyes · 11/08/2023 09:46

There's a woman I follow on Twitter who is Trans F to M and her 'girlfriend' is Trans M to F. This makes my head hurt. i try to be compassionate I really do, but what the hell? Couldn't she just be a lesbian?
She's just had 'top surgery' too, which makes me so sad. She's only in her 20s.

Baldieheid · 11/08/2023 08:48

MaggieAggie · 11/08/2023 08:13

I just read someone on twitter say “it only takes one “trans” person to derail an organisation.
this is so true!

I'd agree with this. I look at brands doing the desperate dance to include males in 100% female things (looking at you, tampax) and the first though is "what the fuck are you THINKING????".

Trans identified/non binary/special hair female people, yes. But males?

MaggieAggie · 11/08/2023 08:13

I just read someone on twitter say “it only takes one “trans” person to derail an organisation.
this is so true!

inappropriateraspberry · 11/08/2023 05:09

Why couldn't they have found some normal everyday clothes, so he would feel more uncomfortable? Why is it always a full blown dress and heels makeover? What's there a specific event it was for, because they're not going to work wearing that?!
He'd have been better off in jeans and a t-shirt, because, you know, women wear them too, quite a lot. More than frilly dresses and dangly earrings.
Why do none of these TW dress in normal clothes? Because they want a fantasy of being 'girls' with flowers, flounces and frills. It's nothing to do with actually living as or like a woman.

Furmitycorner798 · 11/08/2023 04:47

Baldieheid · 08/08/2023 16:37

This is how I feel too.

I'm not wasting any energy on feeling sympathy on them. My sympathy is for the real women and girls shoved aside by them.

Trinny is, frankly, a twit.

You see I don’t think Trinny is a twit. I think she is pretty savvy despite the somewhat manic impression she gives on sm. That’s why I was so disappointed to
see the video. But agree totally about sympathies lying with women who constantly need to shove over and make room on the bench.

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Furmitycorner798 · 11/08/2023 04:41

LadyBird1973 · 10/08/2023 21:47

@rabbitwoman a lot of us were like this I think. Sympathetic and willing to share spaces (like public loos) and pretend not to notice the difference because we wanted to be kind and not make clearly unhappy people any more sad!
But that changed when aggressive TRA started demanding access to our spaces as if it was their right, rather than our kindness which allowed it. When they started forcing us into colluding with their delusions and seeing women lose jobs etc it they publicly dissent and think language and truth is actually quite important. Seeing women lose privacy and dignity and spaces on sports teams and shortlists. And seeing the effects on confused children, for whom the damage can never be reversed!

Now when I see a TW I just think 'manipulative bastard' and 'get the fuck out of my space and stop trying to force me to indulge your fetish'! Any sympathy and kindness I used to feel has gone. Which is unfair on all those people for whom transitioning was the best option and who were quietly going about their business, causing no harm.
TRA have caused irreparable damage to trans people just going about their lives.

Great post!

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Furmitycorner798 · 11/08/2023 04:41

MaggieAggie · 10/08/2023 21:42

Oh God it gets worse!! He’s been nominated for a “woman in software” award!!

So that’s another award or first place medal a woman loses out on then.

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PandaExpress · 10/08/2023 23:04

Thanks for sharing. I've been getting bombarded with Trinny ads recently and she nearly had me. No chance now.

LadyBird1973 · 10/08/2023 21:48

Re Trinny I don't 'get' why she's a fashion expert. She's tall and slim, which helps, but she always looks like she's been dragged through a hedge backwards!

LadyBird1973 · 10/08/2023 21:47

@rabbitwoman a lot of us were like this I think. Sympathetic and willing to share spaces (like public loos) and pretend not to notice the difference because we wanted to be kind and not make clearly unhappy people any more sad!
But that changed when aggressive TRA started demanding access to our spaces as if it was their right, rather than our kindness which allowed it. When they started forcing us into colluding with their delusions and seeing women lose jobs etc it they publicly dissent and think language and truth is actually quite important. Seeing women lose privacy and dignity and spaces on sports teams and shortlists. And seeing the effects on confused children, for whom the damage can never be reversed!

Now when I see a TW I just think 'manipulative bastard' and 'get the fuck out of my space and stop trying to force me to indulge your fetish'! Any sympathy and kindness I used to feel has gone. Which is unfair on all those people for whom transitioning was the best option and who were quietly going about their business, causing no harm.
TRA have caused irreparable damage to trans people just going about their lives.

MaggieAggie · 10/08/2023 21:42

Oh God it gets worse!! He’s been nominated for a “woman in software” award!!

AgathaX · 10/08/2023 21:28

Emperor's new clothes.

I watched it and just couldn't believe the fawning over the bloke. We're expected to just believe in all this crap?

BlessedKali · 10/08/2023 21:22

i just eatched the trailer and the upside-down la-la land madness utterly blows my mind.

The voice over says 'She is on such a massive journey' whilst the camera is zooming in on what is very clearly a man's face.

how are people living this lie.

MaggieAggie · 10/08/2023 20:45

He says that he needed to see a counsellor who diagnosed Gender dysphoria and they wouldn’t give him hormones because he dressed too androgynously. Can anyone on here confirm if this is true - I find it incredibly hard to believe

RedLem0nade · 08/08/2023 20:37

Pressed post too soon.
Agree with @ValerieDoonican It must be exhausting to have to perform that role every day. To have put on the costume.

From an aesthetic perspective I look like crap when I wake up in the morning, but I’m still a woman even if I spend the whole day makeup free in my —frayed and ancient— pyjamas.

RedLem0nade · 08/08/2023 20:33

Agree wit

SammyScrounge · 08/08/2023 20:23

WinterTrees · 08/08/2023 15:50

What an awkward, uncomfortable watch.

I felt oddly sorry for Skyler who was forced to confront the reality of their appearance without the dated, bust-thrusting bodycon female uniform. Trinny was clearly desperate to be kind and inclusive, but I fear her endeavours ended up having the opposite effect.

The sibling thing is interesting. Did I hear 'Grace' use they/them pronouns for Skyler? There's a weird dynamic at play there I'd say.

I've been eyeing up the Trinny London BFF cream for my next facial spf purchase, but this has resolved me to pass. The name already annoyed me - a bit try hard and forced - and this has amplified that. I think I'll find a brand with more authenticity.

I was sorry for Skyler too, clearly a very vulnerable person being exploited by tv to prove their cool progressive credentials. Styler looked dreadful after the makeover.

Baldieheid · 08/08/2023 16:37

Fordian · 08/08/2023 15:40

Yup. Me too.

I lost patience one outrage at a time; Maya Forstater; Lia Thomas; Isla Bryson; Kier (before he sensed the wind had changed)... the list goes on and on.

I do feel sympathy for those quiet, respectful transsexuals who stayed in their lane; but they, along with LGB rights will get demolished in the oncoming backlash against this genderwoo that is so badly damaging vulnerable young people's lives and health; and destroying women's rights with a smirk on its face.

They brought it on themselves.

This is how I feel too.

I'm not wasting any energy on feeling sympathy on them. My sympathy is for the real women and girls shoved aside by them.

Trinny is, frankly, a twit.

Melroses · 08/08/2023 16:36

The only improvement was his hair. I preferred his original clothing and it would have been even better if he’d just rocked a great androgynous look, as a man.

I have a relative who was really rocking the slim snazzy suit with flowery shirt androgynous style with massive aplomb - but started taking oestrogen and changed pronouns and now everyone is saying 'She' looks 'Wonderful' with the aggressive positivity mentioned above. 😳

JoodyBlue · 08/08/2023 16:13

I have enjoyed using Trinny London products. But I wont buy any more. This has nothing to do with Skylar enjoying a design consult and everything to do with the gaslighting from Trinny to her female customer base. Not having it!

WinterTrees · 08/08/2023 15:50

What an awkward, uncomfortable watch.

I felt oddly sorry for Skyler who was forced to confront the reality of their appearance without the dated, bust-thrusting bodycon female uniform. Trinny was clearly desperate to be kind and inclusive, but I fear her endeavours ended up having the opposite effect.

The sibling thing is interesting. Did I hear 'Grace' use they/them pronouns for Skyler? There's a weird dynamic at play there I'd say.

I've been eyeing up the Trinny London BFF cream for my next facial spf purchase, but this has resolved me to pass. The name already annoyed me - a bit try hard and forced - and this has amplified that. I think I'll find a brand with more authenticity.

Fordian · 08/08/2023 15:40

rabbitwoman · 08/08/2023 07:41

This is a great example of how the Streisand effect has impacted on my perception of trans women.....

Maybe six or seven years ago I would probably have thought this was lovely and sweet. I would have been pleased for the trans woman, who did look very nice in the last reveal - if still obviously a man.....

If I knew this individual, I would probably have quietly acquiesced to sharing a same sex space with her - a loo at work or in the pub, a changing room, included her on 'girls nights outs' and hen do, etc.... I would not have felt entirely comfortable doing so, but I would have done so out of politeness and compassion.

But I know too much now to ever go back. If the trans community hadn't pushed for more and more, hadn't insisted on taking so much away from women, then I would never have educated myself about what actually makes a man a trans woman and what they actually want.

I bet thousands of trans women wish we could just go back to the days when everyone thought they had a female brain trapped in a male body, and were treated accordingly.....

Yup. Me too.

I lost patience one outrage at a time; Maya Forstater; Lia Thomas; Isla Bryson; Kier (before he sensed the wind had changed)... the list goes on and on.

I do feel sympathy for those quiet, respectful transsexuals who stayed in their lane; but they, along with LGB rights will get demolished in the oncoming backlash against this genderwoo that is so badly damaging vulnerable young people's lives and health; and destroying women's rights with a smirk on its face.

They brought it on themselves.

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 08/08/2023 15:23

Silly commercial-brained tits.

They think contentment and self-acceptance can be bought in Zara and Skylar keeps chasing happiness in 3 and 5 years after Skylar's next mutilation-pamper procedure.

Hardwork people indeed.

midsomermurderess · 08/08/2023 15:07

She ended up looking like Sarah Jessica Parker. Sort of.

thenightsky · 08/08/2023 14:54

Skyler was wearing the fake boobs too high up. A bandau top under the black dress to hide them would have been a heck of a lot better than that awful knitted jumper!